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Crystal Turner-Moffatt, The Safety Diva (TM)
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תוכן מסופק על ידי Safety Consultant with Sheldon Primus. כל תוכן הפודקאסטים כולל פרקים, גרפיקה ותיאורי פודקאסטים מועלים ומסופקים ישירות על ידי Safety Consultant with Sheldon Primus או שותף פלטפורמת הפודקאסט שלו. אם אתה מאמין שמישהו משתמש ביצירה שלך המוגנת בזכויות יוצרים ללא רשותך, אתה יכול לעקוב אחר התהליך המתואר כאן https://he.player.fm/legal.
Keywords: Sheldon Primus, Sheldon, Primus, Safety FM, Crystal Turner Moffatt, Safety Diva, Industrial Hygiene, CIH, ASSP, ASSE, OSHA, Construction, Hunter College, NYC DOB, Risk Management, Risk, Insurance, Connecticut, CEU, Doctorate Program, Capital Technology University, Doctorate candidate, Freedom Tower, UC Davis, COVID Health & Safety Supervisor, Diversity, Blacks in Safety Excellence, Women in Safety Excellence, NYS Department of Labor, CSP, SMS, US Coalition of Black Women Businesses Inc.
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[00:00:16] spk_0: Want them to the safety consultant podcast. I am your host, Sheldon Promise this is the podcast where I teach you the business of being a safety consultant. Yeah. Welcome. So this week we actually have a real fun show. I mean it was fun for me to record, it was fun to even arrange it which is like great. Right, so I am talking to crystal turner Moffitt to safety diva. Today you guys are gonna have a good time learning a little bit about her, learning about her experience. Even talk about the neuroscience part of her career. Did you know about that one? Huh neuroscience? Yes she was a researcher and I didn't know but she went to Hunter college as well in new york. And that is truly where my brother went to school and he was on the Hunter college track team which I forgot to tell her during the interview. And just it was funny and I did now in new york. So anyway we really just started talking about everything a little bit about diversity. We talked about a SSP. And buys which we are both members of. She is the senior member to me by many, many years. So uh we covered just really bad everything. Just talking a little bit about her tips if you're starting a safety consulting business because she's been in the business as a consultant for so long things to even with the U. S. And as a consultant you know staying in your lane is how I'm going to interpret that. but it's really, even if you don't go for the money, go for something that you're passionate about. Great solid experience advice, talked about taking on a business partner and their ying and yang together which is great. So strap in you guys are gonna have a good time listening to the safety diva and afterwards we'll trap. See you. I'm
[00:02:43] spk_1: crystal carter Moffett on the safety diva and I have been in consulting and safety for over 25 years. I have my own firm C. D. T. E. H. S. Consulting LLC. And we started in 2007. So I own my own firm for 15 years where mw pe firms and professionally I've just been, I've just been in safety and construction and I'm just that boss lady on construction sites. I just make sure the workers go home safely each and every day. And I've been, I've been on major projects. The Freedom tower will trade the throgs Neck Bridge. I've worked on a lot of Department of Environmental Protection Projects and um a lot of agencies like Port Authority with uh with the Freedom Tower. Right
[00:03:38] spk_0: uh
[00:03:41] spk_1: I'm currently a PhD student as well at Capital Technology University.
[00:03:45] spk_0: What's gonna be your actual PhD your doctor when you get out
[00:03:50] spk_1: occupational safety and health
[00:03:53] spk_0: And that's so amazing to me when I got started truly, you know it didn't have that 94 was when I got into safety there wasn't anything there for this and now a doctorate in safety is awesome. Congratulations for for even going through it and you know the perseverance it takes for.
[00:04:13] spk_1: Yes but it's been it's been my lifelong dream and we eventually I was pre med in college and I started I wanted to be an M. D. But after Just going through experiences of life and not getting into medical school at first as well I didn't have a plan b. And then I just started uh doing research. I was a researcher. People don't know that about me. I was in neuroscience researcher for 12 years before I even got into safety. So I really got into the laboratory aspect of it and pharmaceutical safety at first. But you're
[00:04:42] spk_0: doing it at a real high level though you're wearing just doing it. You're actually you know working with universities and so you know you're like maybe like oh yeah I'm just doing just a little thing. You're actually at the high level doing this league.
[00:04:56] spk_1: Yeah I have clients um that are major construction companies as well as small um GCS small general contractors that I helped them with their safety. Um You know I write health and safety plans um Actually writing a book called the safety deepest guide to E. H. And S. As well as my vision. My vision for what the field um Is going to have in the future and you know just some some aspect of mentor ship and some other subjects but it's gonna be 10 chapters. I won't tell you all of them. But
[00:05:28] spk_0: Yeah you kind of get it developed in your mind because 10 me all of a sudden you find Maybe we could do this in aid or maybe I need 15. You don't know yet.
[00:05:39] spk_1: But yeah I'm developing a course for U. C. Davis as well and for the continuing education and construction safety. So that's uh in december I should be delivering that course online and uh because they're in California I'm Connecticut.
[00:05:53] spk_0: So yeah that's great. I got to like immediate questions that came up with a better like taking one of the time for when you transition out of the neuroscience side and he decided that you know you're going to get out of the lab and and get into construction and it's it's completely different atmosphere. You know where lab you have absolute you have clean rooms, you deal with so many things. You're looking at al quaeda sampling and you know just all these detailed stuff but then when you get into construction world it's not a structure. So what happened how did you how did you get to that?
[00:06:33] spk_1: That's a great question. Well um the sequence kind of like yeah I was in the laboratory doing research I loved it a lot. Um I did a lot of animal research and I just decided that that this was not my calling that I didn't want to work with animals anymore. And um so I transitioned to me doing like the lab safety like I said in the pharmaceutical which is like you said all GLP and safety glasses and and straight very regulated. And um I was went into health and safety in the in the regulatory agencies working for the department of Health as a restaurant inspector. So that was kind of like assessing restaurants and the food safety aspect. I want you to health academy. Like they have police academy is very very interesting and that was kind of like my forte into environmental health and I saw someone reading a book under a tree. There was a toxicology broadcast of it and do it like the bible for toxicology and I said where do you go to school? Because I had no idea since I didn't get into medical school what was my plan B. Where I was going to get my masters. I decided not to get a PhD in neuroscience. I was like where am I going to go to school which I could work And Hunter, she told me Hunter and the hunted was the perfect plan for me to get my masters because it was in the evening and I can still work and do that. And so at Hunter is where I really learned environmental health and safety and I learned about being a C. S. P. S. C. I. H. And graduating because there was a lot of industrial hygiene graduating um most people go into industrial hygiene and safety and so trying to get employment. They were like are you industrial hygienists? Are you a safety person? So you know I was
[00:08:17] spk_0: uh
[00:08:21] spk_1: ecology grad school. My thesis was on north north toxicology lead in lead in match since I had that rat background and I was one of the few people who ever did a laboratory masters in my program. I actually went to Mount Sinai and worked in the north toxicology lab with dr Claudio you know world renowned and that Mount Sinai program and occupation houses like world renowned and so I I did my thesis so the toxicology which is the study of environment how it you know it affects toxicity. I found an environmental health environmental things are really what drives that and that environment and fought the pharmacology and toxicology the environment part led to industrial hygiene which is an industry and then that led to safety.
[00:09:08] spk_0: So
[00:09:09] spk_1: it's a direct pass. Once you know what the human exposure is then you can and you look at the explosion industry then you can look at safety. So it's kind of like a direct path and I just followed the risk and safety because most construction workers that's the highest risk is in construction and that's what led me to. So construction I just
[00:09:27] spk_0: follow the risk that's that's great. So usually people like to to stay away from what we call the risk, the problem cases you went right to it.
[00:09:38] spk_1: You have kind of been the cleaner. Usually people I've worked for or clients I've had, they call me after the fact when something's up that needs to be fixed. You know, like the drugs like bridge that project, someone had died on that site electrician got hit by a boom and when that happened I got something really in my spirit because I think that safety is a calling and it's like I, the hairs on the back of my neck stand up when dangerous present and it's like calling and people come to you in the sight because you can be trusted and that, you know, if you've developed that report, they don't run from you is the safety lady or you know, they don't run from you when you develop that trust with people that they can come to you. So I'm kind of like the cleaner, Nothing's actually ever really bad happened on my watch. But I'm glad to say I knock on the wood all you know, because I really kept a really not a strict site but just a site where I made sure people when it was time immediately dangerous to life, it helps people stop what they're doing and got the coaching and I didn't want to be a safety cop on the side. I believe in being a coach really and they got the coaching and you know, only like one person ever got had like ice fuller for roof or something, but they had their hard hat on. So I've just been, you know, unfortunately in my, in my time on sites, yeah, no one's actually gotten hurt.
[00:11:08] spk_0: Yeah. Well and that's all of us every day. You know, we, we, we know there's systems, we know that there's things we can do to mitigate risk. We know that there's so much that we could do for behavioral based safety if you believe that or the human and organizational performance when you're on that camp. But at the end of the day there is always still an element of luck. We don't like to admit it, but it's there, it is completely there. So I, I am like you, I, I don't want to play the luck game as much as I can. But I know it's there, I know it's
[00:11:40] spk_1: there. So accidents and incidents, that, that's what they are. You know, accidents, you know, you don't, you don't, we don't expect them to happen. It's the unexpected element. So we do our best for prevention and do our best to educate so that we can just like you said mitigate the risks as best possible.
[00:12:01] spk_0: Yeah. And for the, for those who go through the behavioral based model of meaning. Uh, one of the things that behaviorist think of as the research that was 85 to 95% of all incidents are caused by human behavior. And then if you tell someone who's in the human organization performance camp that they would just blow up at you and saying no, how do you know at that time that person didn't make that decision because of latent conditions that are ready to just truly be triggered. So I know there's there's those two sides, but since you're in like the scientific side of actually understanding like neurons and how they focus and how things actually get stimulated. Can you find like a hard wiring in some ways that can be manipulated through behavior based safety or human organization performance or is it just just some other way that you have to influence behavior?
[00:13:08] spk_1: That's a fascinating question. Show that that might be my thesis in my dissertation, you just gave you something to think about their um yeah, I mean I do, I really believe in the total worker health model that everything that the person brings to the work site affects their, their performance. I really do believe that, I think that, you know, um looking at social things and psychological things that may be going in their life and financial in their health and all that. I really believe in that total worker health model. So I think, you know, when you're a safety professional, you have to take into account all that, that the person may be going through and experiencing as well as the safety culture of the organization and the what's inherent on site like you said, I think we have to take all that into account.
[00:14:01] spk_0: Yeah. And I like that term, I had to write it down just now a total work all health worker health because I've heard of psychological safety when it comes to the workplace where uh maybe about a year and a half ago, I interviewed a friend of mine who was Ari Copeland, his name, but he was more than Rachel and he transitioned in the actual working environment as you know, young adult. But he was telling me not only did he see the changes from being uh young white female, two young white male and then seeing that difference and that dynamics and then also he was started to see other different types of injustices and he then was thinking of if for me I can't come out and say that you know I am a trans male and feel comfortable at work, then you're not going to get all of me at the job, there's going to be parting is left. So he works as an engineering works in black and Peach. And in the interview he was talking about how when you could truly be yourself as a total worker in health, the organization then looks more healthy. Is that what you believe as well?
[00:15:15] spk_1: Yes, I mean, yes, when you don't have to have a pasta syndrome or you know any kind of like they say for size of conformity at all, then you can really be your authentic stuff. I really do believe that. I mean, I've been in situations where um, I couldn't wear my hair a certain way. I wasn't invited to the meeting if I had, you know, my hair a certain way and cut my hair and then we had an actual discussion and buys come up, Someone asked us blacks, health and safety by at a SSP about natural hair and the construction site and how, you know, to protect some workers who might have dreadlocks that might have natural hair. Um, yeah, there there are safety issues, you know, with different cultures and different things and yeah, but when you can't come to the works like authentically as yourself, then that does psychologically play, I really do things so on your, on yourself or if you have a financial problem may be going through or health problem, you may be going to or something that you can't authentically be there as a, as a worker. You know, that's what we have to get to the core of as safety people, not just look on on the surface. That's why, you know, if you go to, if you go to NIOSH and look at the total work of health, they've taken the actual um, hierarchy, hierarchy of controls and looked at it as um, a total work of health model and transpose that and look at what um different areas you can you know, affect in each area. Total worker house. That's
[00:16:51] spk_0: awesome. And you mentioned buys for those listening in the audience. Uh If you're not aware there's the A. S. S. P. Which is now change from A. S. S. E. A few years back. But that is american society, a safety professionals. And buys is a subcommittee air subgroup in there and it's black spin safety professionals. Uh excuse me remember
[00:17:14] spk_1: here, I am like a common interest.
[00:17:17] spk_0: It's a cabinet this group. So I am a junior member to Crystal. She's been in the group for quite a while and I only been for a few years myself. But truly I hear this and a lot of people who have already aware of my show, I speak openly about diversity issues. But I do hear this lot whenever I do interviews with people or just normally tell I think the people of color where there's a general sense in the market that yes, there has been some progression. You can see more people more faces that look like you in some of these events and some of these committees. However, I've always seen that when you get into the executive director position in most organizations, you don't see that same type of diversity as it goes up. I know that that's reflected in the normal society, but I'm trying to figure out how realistically we could we could deal with there's still diversity issues. But how can we break through those those things. And if anyone could safety diva you can your resume the things you do you should be in the C. Suite and you you are in in some areas. So tell us that experience of breaking through if you will.
[00:18:42] spk_1: Well it has been an experience and because of the fact that I was unable to in some instances early on in my career 15 years ago that's what had me start CDT because I wasn't getting those positions at the compensation level that I felt I deserved it as I've gone along and gotten my CSP and I'm at a certain level now I just the jobs are out there and safety. But I mean someone sent me a statistic recently from the Bureau of Labor Statistics that Out of the 885,000 safety professionals there's only 1.6% that are black And other you know um people customs. But that that comes up to about 8500 professionals in the whole country. So
[00:19:30] spk_0: wow that is amazing to me. This that is me that's me hearing this for the first time. I haven't heard that statistics before and it's so overwhelming that the representation is so
[00:19:44] spk_1: underwhelming. So um I'm looking to work with B. C. S. P. For example in the certification realm to you know to be an ambassador. I've applied to their program to be an ambassador to I speak to schools when I was at SPS, the president of the Hudson River Valley chapter I will go to White Plains High School. I've worked with. Um, sororities such as, you know, a. K. A. Going to their job. They're speaking to young people just to make them aware of safe of the safety field because most people don't even get into it until they into other fields, they don't even know about it. And so if we, you know, just being ambassadors of, you know, whether it be to get stem because stem is a real important part of our profession, the science, you know, technology, you know, math and engineering and safety really. Safety were engineers, you know, in some aspects. And so if you don't know about the field, it's hard to get into the and then to break into that C suite. It's just like you said, diversity equity inclusion is just something in all our fields. But I think I wrote an article for SSP about mentor and a power of mentoring and then I'll take it a step further. We not only need mentors in our field, we need sponsorship, we need people to sponsor us when we get into these different corporations so that they can speak for us in the C suites and advocate for us when they're in the board room and saying, listen, I have this person, this is my protege. This person would be great in this position, but it takes that person to recognize that there's a need, you know, A need for that. And one thing I found in my research is that for women, a lot of women won't go for jobs unless they feel that 100% qualified before they actually go for the job. Men are more risk takers. They'll go for a job that they have. Like maybe not all the qualifications for and they'll get them. So we have as women as well, you have to have to um have had that confidence that we can get the job. Because for me sometimes I thought it was like why am I not being higher for this? Sometimes it was the salary expectations we didn't meet. Meeting of the minds. Sometimes I really know that people didn't want me to be their face of safety. And I mean any want me to be the face of their their their director. They don't want me to be different. I've interviewed where people brought me in. It's like, oh your resume. I can't believe everything. So yeah, how did you get into construction? How did this happen? I can't just to see if I was who I was on paper. So yeah,
[00:22:18] spk_0: it's and that's a true point. So the concept of allies has always existed. Allies and everything, not just race but just truly even if you're thinking the true terms of allies such as treaties, right? So in the treaty system, it's a give and take. Sometimes you actually have more advantage than someone you want to ally with. But you can look into the future and you can see that this partnership is still going to benefit me in the long run. I don't mind if I hope this person along. So in the terms that we're talking about with promotions and everything else, you know, I had a mentor in the professional field when I used to be a regulator in order for the state of florida, I actually had a mentor who was, he hired me uh from outside the organization as a young man knowing that he was gonna grew me as his replacement. And I did not have the appearance of you know, an older white male, but he took an interest in me. He saw that man, this kid's got something and he truly mentored me into his position if you will and no one else had that position and it was it was ushering through. So as as you described, you know, not only is it mentoring, but then you're also taking that extra step and for anybody listening to this please. That is wonderful. If you're in a position you know, to help someone come in that may look different or may think things differently, you know? Yes, your reputation is that your big reputation, right is
[00:23:59] spk_1: still gonna be sponsorship, right? It's the person's reputation and you know, that's why as a person who's a mentee or to be sponsored, we have to really realize that that person is taken on, you know, their reputation as well. And just to be our authentic selves and to be an integrity, what what we do.
[00:24:20] spk_0: Yeah, absolutely. And you mentioned a couple of things about, um, there's a few things that you mentioned there. I like to turn facade of comfort or conformity. Yes. So I want to make sure I nail that one down. And that's a great idea because I believe that transcends not only trying to become a chameleon in whatever world you're in, especially if you're the new hire that also seems like, you know, when you're working situation, you start getting these social groups and eventually they're going to conform to something you hope is the value, low risk, but sometimes it doesn't, sometimes they conform to the risk takers and that's your trouble crew. You get that phone call saying, oh there's been an accident and automatically, you know, it's these guys, it's got to be, how do you combat that as a safety? Not only are you the safety consultant coming into these areas, but then you also have your workers to that you deal with, how do you do, how do you, how do you come into a situation like that and effectively change that dynamic that that that group think has
[00:25:36] spk_1: developed. So yes, you're, you're saying like the group mentality where yeah, especially in construction, you know, like the iron workers or something like that or you be like that electricians and everybody has their yeah there are reputation for taking risks or you know being like the electrician's people said they had a prima donnas on the site and like yeah. Um well I just I have just a system of just like I said I'm safety diva that that's the ice breaker. You know, I'm all things like diva on the site and I just I just let them No because you know you hear what I've been doing this 40 years ago when you know about the structure, I've made it my business to get to know what the trade. No, so I can talk to them in their own vernacular, you know and I can talk to them in their own language and once they do that then the trust has developed and you know I deal with them on their level, I meet them where they are and so once they see that you have credibility I think that helps that helps that. So dealing with the group mentality, I just try to get everybody to work together. Like Den mother, you know just try to get everybody to work together and I guess not you have to take each individual and that not judge them, just like you wouldn't want them to judge you like even though like yes they said the electricians of this and the ironworkers taken with even though I have witnessed that yes you know it's a culture. The each group has just try to deal with each individual on their own terms. And like I said when I when I get to know them I might spot that problem that there might be having you know for the day they might be having that family thing going through the divorce, having that financial issue that might be affecting their performance that day.
[00:27:32] spk_0: So yeah that's a great point because truly people's performance is at a snapshot you can't really you know one day could be good the next day they're they're completely you know been caught up with something you know they could have had a near miss and then all of a sudden that's all they could focus on wow for. The other thing that I wanted to mention that you mentioned earlier is the C. E. U. Part. Is that something that you did for what I've mentioned before for people grow in their consulting businesses. If you could offer us in any way then what will happen is people that meet the sea usual get their cycles. And then that could be a way that you could keep getting business so that you could stop those highs and lows that you get as a consultant you know. Well
[00:28:23] spk_1: thank you Sheldon. That's just such a way. Well it's such a great it works it works. That's a that's a good technique there. Well I actually have the safety diva academy that's other development is to study growing, that's part of C. D. T. J. Just consulting and you know we are partnering with uh a chef who does have who's I said approved to offer some see us for some courses and so forth. So that's something that I will definitely take into account. Yeah more
[00:28:55] spk_0: industries you have that's just a bigger the buffer so it does help and for those that are thinking, yeah, while we're at it right uh for those that are starting their business and they want to be consultant so bad. I noticed that you did the women's own to end the black owned business as well, um that gives you that leg up to get you into some grants and a few other things. What other tips would you say is to someone who is starting out that might help them differentiate themselves or be other avenues to get you know, opportunities?
[00:29:36] spk_1: Well I would definitely say find your niche, you know, like sometimes it's consultant, you know, we want to be everything to everybody but find your strengths, look at the pain points of your customers that you want to have, like what what where what do you have that will provide the solutions for their pain points, you know, I think that's key, so once you develop a real area that you want to focus and try to try to really focus on on something that you can thrive in because trying to be all things to everybody is you know it's a lot I know and I would say also even though compensation is great, you know like don't go after the compensation without losing your integrity authenticity for what you really want to offer for yourself because you you might end up working with a client that it wasn't even worth the money to do. So really, you know um I would say that's another thing um and uh just just work on your credibility and and this to be okay, I guess someone who would be sought after, you really have to just work on your credibility and your brand. And I would I would say that to do that.
[00:30:53] spk_0: Yeah. Absolutely. Especially if you're small.
[00:30:55] spk_1: Yeah
[00:30:57] spk_0: I
[00:30:58] spk_1: just took on a business partner, I want to say call him so he's my C. O. And it took a while after me growing the business 15 years to take on a partner. But um I was at a place where it was stagnant, it wasn't growing and to bring someone in with new ideas, you know or to have even if you have business coaches or you have, you know someone to come in with new ideas because sometimes you think that when you partner with people you're going to partner with people who think like you if you if you be juve innate yourself or recapitulate yourself or use have you, It's gonna work right? But that's just usually you see somebody and thinking like you and then you'll be monolithic. It's like, but if you have other people that come on and have different ideas than that can help your business grow because it's just more diverse thinking team, you know, teams working together. So I was like boy, if I could just make people want more me and if I could just have more people like me, I would know. But it's really, he's like the yin to my yak car to get to my back and uh We work so well together we're really looking to scale and grow and he's in Arizona on east coast and you know, this is beating in the middle, getting more clients. Um two look at their diversity supply chain so that they can bring us on. And also just look at the deliverables that we offer because like I said, I've had to pivot um during this covid period to work actually with movie sets and movie productions, I just finished in new Orleans working on a movie set. And I pivoted from that because of this construction drying up. So you have to think about where you can pivot what other things you might be able to do. But yeah, it was, it was great. I worked on movie sets, making sure that they had covid compliance being a compliance officer had to take a course, you know, to do that. So sometimes you might have to have more education in an area. But yeah, you have to have a, uh, a way to pivot and move and when, when trends change, you always have that training aspect that I find that like you said, Sheldon having training available education people always want to educate themselves to move into different areas of safety.
[00:33:16] spk_0: Yeah. And I remember about a year ago I talked to linda tap. So uh, yeah. Isn't she awesome? She did the show a year about a year ago. And so one of the things she mentioned on the show was as a consultant. What she found was really good was to have some sort of supplemental income that's coming in in between clients and that's why she does her training material safety funding. I'm on safety fundamentals. I remember. Yeah. So truly she's, she's been thinking about that, executing it. Is that the same with you? Do you have like another hobby or fun thing that you're doing that? That's also supplemental?
[00:34:00] spk_1: Well, that's why I'm writing this book shelters, that's passive income. So I'm halfway through this book, its
[00:34:08] spk_0: passage
[00:34:11] spk_1: And um, I mean, I work, I work with um, some insurance companies doing lost control. That's a fun thing going out to different sites. Um, I actually work with yellow Bird, They send the assignments and I've had a lot of virtual assignment should I do. And I just created a fun fun for the for protection training training program and um that's what I do for fun. I do websites as well for
[00:34:43] spk_0: people. Anything, anything,
[00:34:45] spk_1: anything I help people out with websites. I'm actually on the board of the U. S. Coalition of black women businesses and I help them as a board member. That's what I do for fun. We're trying to grow our membership, we're having a virtual launch coming up soon. So yes, I'm on the board and like I said, I'm developing this course for you for um U. C. Davis. So and I understood it so I don't have much time. I'm also part of a leadership organization that is training me to be just a leader and our coach that organization. And yeah I just uh just keep myself Busy and I'm a wife, I'm a wife and the mother of a of a 12 year old rescue dog. No, I don't have to talk. I haven't told your daughter, but she's a rescue dog named Kissy. Oh that's awesome.
[00:35:37] spk_0: Yeah man. Yellow Bird. I am, I interviewed Michelle and I just looked it up. She's episode 85 at the Yellow Bird over there. So yeah, they do some good work for people whose suits looking for, you know, plugging in the gap if you will between clients
[00:35:57] spk_1: being in this virtual world. They really um I just called it Michelle's great. I just called the records say hey you guys haven't called me in a while. I mean, so I mean I really, I'm just such a person that likes to work, you might have an exit strategy for three years for CDT working with call. But I just uh, I like to work, I don't know how much I want to be on the site per se. Me, every day I have people that put on sites now. So every day me working as a safety professional on the site, that's not where I'm at right now. I'm more actually, I've interviewed for a global position. I just don't, I don't call calls like when you're going to be like 100% entrepreneur, I'm getting there, I would say I'm 90-10 right now.
[00:36:42] spk_0: Yeah, it just takes truly, it'll be the decision where um, it always boils down to this when you come to the decision that says, uh, I could either advance quicker or make some money quicker if I could meet everyone during the hours that they're working with. So we're all on the same page then that when that decision becomes where it's a no brainer man, you transition.
[00:37:08] spk_1: Yes. And I'm actually, I had two interviews this month. One was a local and virtual position and one's global. So the only reason I'm still thinking about not doing 100% is because the opportunities and it would be in manufacturing where I think I still need to grow some, some more in my, in my knowledge, I want to, I want to do this because I feel that there's an opportunity to travel around the world, see some other safety in other cultures and countries and make an effective change. So excellent. Everybody. That's the only reason why I'm considering one more, one more position when
[00:37:47] spk_0: it's apparent to you. That's when it becomes apparent. So you know, you don't know that time. That's one of those mystery things
[00:37:53] spk_1: and that's why I took on a partner. That's why I took a call to be a partner and I trusted him with the business because while I'm still so in my safety oats, as you say, he's there for me running the business and
[00:38:06] spk_0: yeah, absolutely. So tell us if everybody had to get you with all your connections, I mean truly you've got a bunch so you let us know how to, how to get more safety Diva.
[00:38:17] spk_1: Okay, well you can reach me um at safety Diva dot org. That's our website. You can reach me on linkedin and just Google. Safety diva comes up with, you know, things that, that, that I've done. Um you can reach me 914382 3827. I don't mind you calling me, I'm accessible and um, twitter instagram I'm out there. Yeah, they voted me like one of the top 10 people to follow a linkedin and Twitter. So I really like you said, I have a lot of connections like almost 30,000.
[00:38:53] spk_0: Yeah. Yeah. You really do. And and congrats on all your your awards, you know, safety person of the year. You got everything going on.
[00:39:03] spk_1: Yeah. 2019 was really a great year for me and it's been it's been growing ever since and I'm looking forward to great things in the future. I actually have a linkedin group also for called women in the H&S and a construction safety groups. So anyone is welcome to join. There's people posting their and even as women in health and safety, I included men because I think that men and women work well together and we need men for allies,
[00:39:28] spk_0: right? That to the allies. If there's a connection with allies, there's so much we if we really really think about it, that thread actually goes through all aspects of growth in life. It's just, you know, once you, once you really start thinking about it, you know, that's that's all we're doing when we're trying to assimilate to any kind of area and environment. We're looking for allies.
[00:39:56] spk_1: Yes,
[00:39:57] spk_0: that's that's really all of those
[00:39:58] spk_1: things. Even on the site, right? I'm looking for the for the workers to be my ally and I'm their ally to so we can get production done the management wants to be an ally, right? So they want to work well with employees. So you're right, we're looking for allies. Yeah. That's the only
[00:40:13] spk_0: yeah, that's the only way to grow. You've got to find allies. So it's all the common line. It's amazing when you really start thinking about it. It's like that's the relationships we're looking for allies. So thank you so much for
[00:40:26] spk_1: spending some time with,
[00:40:28] spk_0: oh golden nut. I might have to write that one down. Golden nugget for the week. I'm writing all this stuff and that's going to come from the safety diva. You can see my notes just literally right in all your stuff down. You get gems.
[00:40:41] spk_1: Thank you.
[00:40:43] spk_0: Thank you and try the rest of your day. All right, welcome back then We have fun hearing from the safety Diva. And then at the very end we started talking a little bit about my theory about allies. So yeah, that's uh, that's something that's just come up to me, You know, my theories and allies, meaning that if we are ever looking to advance no matter where we are, whether demographics may be the only way to do it is by a strategic partnership. Allies. And it seems like that strategic partnership, it branches out into every aspect of your life when you're ready to develop and grow. So that's one of the things that I thought that I thought, man, that would be wonderful if I just mentioned it a little on the end. Just a little nugget. Like that was writing so many things from for my interview there with with the safety Diva. And I was writing like little notes and her nuggets that she has given us like on it, you can help me out with this stuff. So I had really, really good time. Thank you Christopher coming on the show, you're welcome back, She's doing a whole bunch of stuff. So I've been keeping taps with her and hopefully we could partner on something pretty soon. So another thing that I didn't wanna, I didn't want to bring up to you, I am doing an event. I'm doing a thing. So this thing that I'm doing, I'll tell you about the thing first and then I'll tell you how to get involved. So on September 11 this year, I know it's not a whole bunch of time, but I was kind of thinking how can I do an event that is going to help people this year before the year is out and I'm looking at my calendar and then looking back and forth and seeing area what can I do. So my decision was let me create a war a workshop where I'm going to help them out and what this workshop, it is called safety consulting Wanna one workshop and I am going to pretty much cram in some information for them as much as I can to get you started and I'm calling it a workshop because it's not just me presenting. I know people love me presenting, which is awesome. Thank you for giving you but it's not going to help you in the long run just hearing things and writing it down. We're going to do it. So if I wanted four hours for this on a saturday because I know you got to be doing this on the Q. T. You know really quiet. You imagine if your your actual computer listening to a four hour workshop at work about how you're going to start your own business, it's not going to go over well. So that's why we're gonna do this one on the weekend. So we're gonna do this one on saturday september 11th from one p.m. My time Eastern daylight time until five PM regular first took about you, your target market, your vision, what's your planes with your goals? That's going to take up the first hour and we're gonna do actual workshops. So you're gonna be on your computer doing this virtually with me anyway, might as well. Have you opened up another tab and then we are going to actually do things. If you could come with two screens that's going to be even better and be more efficient for you. But we're gonna find your niche. We're gonna even get down to your name and getting your domain name, getting that stuff secured. Talk about email, marketing, making sure you can grow your business, going to talk about instructional design, the thing that you could use to make supplemental income talk about partnering with big companies. We're gonna talk about finding and keeping and growing your client base and then public speaking some tips on that as well. We are offering some sponsorship for this. We already got two sponsors. Now there's four levels of sponsorships. If you want to sponsor platinum gold, there's still some in silver and bronze as well. So you could just join the sponsorship page. Yeah and if you want to be involved in this, here's the big takeaway mm tickets start ed $0, that's it. $0 to free of it. So you're gonna get four hours of instructional training with me going to walk you through your business with workshops. So tickets are starting for free. That's our general tickets. And then if you want to actually get the safety consultant blueprint course Then you can pay for that at a reduced price and that's gonna be 150. So therefore you could get the general mission and of course and then if you want to actually go a little bit further where you can have not only the general admission in the course but then we call it the consulting package where you're going to have the safety consultant tv subscription as well and a lifetime very cast pro which I used to actually record my videos and everything So that's gonna be for you. There is $300 because we also have a dish right now. $50 difficult but that's if you wanted to go and get some extras, you don't have to, if you just want to be part of the event, it's for free. Just get a view stub dot com backslash. Safety consulting one oh one view stub back dot com backslash safety consulting one oh one and be part of them. Mhm. All right gang I'm gonna leave. But before I do just want to thank everyone for listening to me. If you have not actually subscribe to the show, I do have more listeners than I do have subscribers, which is really well, it's like almost 80%. So one thing that would be wonderful for me is I can't see you listening to the show, but I could actually see subscriber ship. So that's going to help me know that there's people out there listening to me and it's not just me and the computer and the sound board. So that would be great if you could go ahead and subscribe for me. So I could know you're out there. And then also if you do have a chance to go ahead and write the show, that'll be wonderful. Give us a rating and a nice little review. That means a lot. Especially for someone trying to think should I spend my time listening to this guy or not. And now with that review with that actual rating, someone to say, hey Susie from Cincinnati thinks he's cool. All right, let me give it a listen. So that's it. That's the whole thing. Ng So thank you so much for this week. 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[00:00:16] spk_0: Want them to the safety consultant podcast. I am your host, Sheldon Promise this is the podcast where I teach you the business of being a safety consultant. Yeah. Welcome. So this week we actually have a real fun show. I mean it was fun for me to record, it was fun to even arrange it which is like great. Right, so I am talking to crystal turner Moffitt to safety diva. Today you guys are gonna have a good time learning a little bit about her, learning about her experience. Even talk about the neuroscience part of her career. Did you know about that one? Huh neuroscience? Yes she was a researcher and I didn't know but she went to Hunter college as well in new york. And that is truly where my brother went to school and he was on the Hunter college track team which I forgot to tell her during the interview. And just it was funny and I did now in new york. So anyway we really just started talking about everything a little bit about diversity. We talked about a SSP. And buys which we are both members of. She is the senior member to me by many, many years. So uh we covered just really bad everything. Just talking a little bit about her tips if you're starting a safety consulting business because she's been in the business as a consultant for so long things to even with the U. S. And as a consultant you know staying in your lane is how I'm going to interpret that. but it's really, even if you don't go for the money, go for something that you're passionate about. Great solid experience advice, talked about taking on a business partner and their ying and yang together which is great. So strap in you guys are gonna have a good time listening to the safety diva and afterwards we'll trap. See you. I'm
[00:02:43] spk_1: crystal carter Moffett on the safety diva and I have been in consulting and safety for over 25 years. I have my own firm C. D. T. E. H. S. Consulting LLC. And we started in 2007. So I own my own firm for 15 years where mw pe firms and professionally I've just been, I've just been in safety and construction and I'm just that boss lady on construction sites. I just make sure the workers go home safely each and every day. And I've been, I've been on major projects. The Freedom tower will trade the throgs Neck Bridge. I've worked on a lot of Department of Environmental Protection Projects and um a lot of agencies like Port Authority with uh with the Freedom Tower. Right
[00:03:38] spk_0: uh
[00:03:41] spk_1: I'm currently a PhD student as well at Capital Technology University.
[00:03:45] spk_0: What's gonna be your actual PhD your doctor when you get out
[00:03:50] spk_1: occupational safety and health
[00:03:53] spk_0: And that's so amazing to me when I got started truly, you know it didn't have that 94 was when I got into safety there wasn't anything there for this and now a doctorate in safety is awesome. Congratulations for for even going through it and you know the perseverance it takes for.
[00:04:13] spk_1: Yes but it's been it's been my lifelong dream and we eventually I was pre med in college and I started I wanted to be an M. D. But after Just going through experiences of life and not getting into medical school at first as well I didn't have a plan b. And then I just started uh doing research. I was a researcher. People don't know that about me. I was in neuroscience researcher for 12 years before I even got into safety. So I really got into the laboratory aspect of it and pharmaceutical safety at first. But you're
[00:04:42] spk_0: doing it at a real high level though you're wearing just doing it. You're actually you know working with universities and so you know you're like maybe like oh yeah I'm just doing just a little thing. You're actually at the high level doing this league.
[00:04:56] spk_1: Yeah I have clients um that are major construction companies as well as small um GCS small general contractors that I helped them with their safety. Um You know I write health and safety plans um Actually writing a book called the safety deepest guide to E. H. And S. As well as my vision. My vision for what the field um Is going to have in the future and you know just some some aspect of mentor ship and some other subjects but it's gonna be 10 chapters. I won't tell you all of them. But
[00:05:28] spk_0: Yeah you kind of get it developed in your mind because 10 me all of a sudden you find Maybe we could do this in aid or maybe I need 15. You don't know yet.
[00:05:39] spk_1: But yeah I'm developing a course for U. C. Davis as well and for the continuing education and construction safety. So that's uh in december I should be delivering that course online and uh because they're in California I'm Connecticut.
[00:05:53] spk_0: So yeah that's great. I got to like immediate questions that came up with a better like taking one of the time for when you transition out of the neuroscience side and he decided that you know you're going to get out of the lab and and get into construction and it's it's completely different atmosphere. You know where lab you have absolute you have clean rooms, you deal with so many things. You're looking at al quaeda sampling and you know just all these detailed stuff but then when you get into construction world it's not a structure. So what happened how did you how did you get to that?
[00:06:33] spk_1: That's a great question. Well um the sequence kind of like yeah I was in the laboratory doing research I loved it a lot. Um I did a lot of animal research and I just decided that that this was not my calling that I didn't want to work with animals anymore. And um so I transitioned to me doing like the lab safety like I said in the pharmaceutical which is like you said all GLP and safety glasses and and straight very regulated. And um I was went into health and safety in the in the regulatory agencies working for the department of Health as a restaurant inspector. So that was kind of like assessing restaurants and the food safety aspect. I want you to health academy. Like they have police academy is very very interesting and that was kind of like my forte into environmental health and I saw someone reading a book under a tree. There was a toxicology broadcast of it and do it like the bible for toxicology and I said where do you go to school? Because I had no idea since I didn't get into medical school what was my plan B. Where I was going to get my masters. I decided not to get a PhD in neuroscience. I was like where am I going to go to school which I could work And Hunter, she told me Hunter and the hunted was the perfect plan for me to get my masters because it was in the evening and I can still work and do that. And so at Hunter is where I really learned environmental health and safety and I learned about being a C. S. P. S. C. I. H. And graduating because there was a lot of industrial hygiene graduating um most people go into industrial hygiene and safety and so trying to get employment. They were like are you industrial hygienists? Are you a safety person? So you know I was
[00:08:17] spk_0: uh
[00:08:21] spk_1: ecology grad school. My thesis was on north north toxicology lead in lead in match since I had that rat background and I was one of the few people who ever did a laboratory masters in my program. I actually went to Mount Sinai and worked in the north toxicology lab with dr Claudio you know world renowned and that Mount Sinai program and occupation houses like world renowned and so I I did my thesis so the toxicology which is the study of environment how it you know it affects toxicity. I found an environmental health environmental things are really what drives that and that environment and fought the pharmacology and toxicology the environment part led to industrial hygiene which is an industry and then that led to safety.
[00:09:08] spk_0: So
[00:09:09] spk_1: it's a direct pass. Once you know what the human exposure is then you can and you look at the explosion industry then you can look at safety. So it's kind of like a direct path and I just followed the risk and safety because most construction workers that's the highest risk is in construction and that's what led me to. So construction I just
[00:09:27] spk_0: follow the risk that's that's great. So usually people like to to stay away from what we call the risk, the problem cases you went right to it.
[00:09:38] spk_1: You have kind of been the cleaner. Usually people I've worked for or clients I've had, they call me after the fact when something's up that needs to be fixed. You know, like the drugs like bridge that project, someone had died on that site electrician got hit by a boom and when that happened I got something really in my spirit because I think that safety is a calling and it's like I, the hairs on the back of my neck stand up when dangerous present and it's like calling and people come to you in the sight because you can be trusted and that, you know, if you've developed that report, they don't run from you is the safety lady or you know, they don't run from you when you develop that trust with people that they can come to you. So I'm kind of like the cleaner, Nothing's actually ever really bad happened on my watch. But I'm glad to say I knock on the wood all you know, because I really kept a really not a strict site but just a site where I made sure people when it was time immediately dangerous to life, it helps people stop what they're doing and got the coaching and I didn't want to be a safety cop on the side. I believe in being a coach really and they got the coaching and you know, only like one person ever got had like ice fuller for roof or something, but they had their hard hat on. So I've just been, you know, unfortunately in my, in my time on sites, yeah, no one's actually gotten hurt.
[00:11:08] spk_0: Yeah. Well and that's all of us every day. You know, we, we, we know there's systems, we know that there's things we can do to mitigate risk. We know that there's so much that we could do for behavioral based safety if you believe that or the human and organizational performance when you're on that camp. But at the end of the day there is always still an element of luck. We don't like to admit it, but it's there, it is completely there. So I, I am like you, I, I don't want to play the luck game as much as I can. But I know it's there, I know it's
[00:11:40] spk_1: there. So accidents and incidents, that, that's what they are. You know, accidents, you know, you don't, you don't, we don't expect them to happen. It's the unexpected element. So we do our best for prevention and do our best to educate so that we can just like you said mitigate the risks as best possible.
[00:12:01] spk_0: Yeah. And for the, for those who go through the behavioral based model of meaning. Uh, one of the things that behaviorist think of as the research that was 85 to 95% of all incidents are caused by human behavior. And then if you tell someone who's in the human organization performance camp that they would just blow up at you and saying no, how do you know at that time that person didn't make that decision because of latent conditions that are ready to just truly be triggered. So I know there's there's those two sides, but since you're in like the scientific side of actually understanding like neurons and how they focus and how things actually get stimulated. Can you find like a hard wiring in some ways that can be manipulated through behavior based safety or human organization performance or is it just just some other way that you have to influence behavior?
[00:13:08] spk_1: That's a fascinating question. Show that that might be my thesis in my dissertation, you just gave you something to think about their um yeah, I mean I do, I really believe in the total worker health model that everything that the person brings to the work site affects their, their performance. I really do believe that, I think that, you know, um looking at social things and psychological things that may be going in their life and financial in their health and all that. I really believe in that total worker health model. So I think, you know, when you're a safety professional, you have to take into account all that, that the person may be going through and experiencing as well as the safety culture of the organization and the what's inherent on site like you said, I think we have to take all that into account.
[00:14:01] spk_0: Yeah. And I like that term, I had to write it down just now a total work all health worker health because I've heard of psychological safety when it comes to the workplace where uh maybe about a year and a half ago, I interviewed a friend of mine who was Ari Copeland, his name, but he was more than Rachel and he transitioned in the actual working environment as you know, young adult. But he was telling me not only did he see the changes from being uh young white female, two young white male and then seeing that difference and that dynamics and then also he was started to see other different types of injustices and he then was thinking of if for me I can't come out and say that you know I am a trans male and feel comfortable at work, then you're not going to get all of me at the job, there's going to be parting is left. So he works as an engineering works in black and Peach. And in the interview he was talking about how when you could truly be yourself as a total worker in health, the organization then looks more healthy. Is that what you believe as well?
[00:15:15] spk_1: Yes, I mean, yes, when you don't have to have a pasta syndrome or you know any kind of like they say for size of conformity at all, then you can really be your authentic stuff. I really do believe that. I mean, I've been in situations where um, I couldn't wear my hair a certain way. I wasn't invited to the meeting if I had, you know, my hair a certain way and cut my hair and then we had an actual discussion and buys come up, Someone asked us blacks, health and safety by at a SSP about natural hair and the construction site and how, you know, to protect some workers who might have dreadlocks that might have natural hair. Um, yeah, there there are safety issues, you know, with different cultures and different things and yeah, but when you can't come to the works like authentically as yourself, then that does psychologically play, I really do things so on your, on yourself or if you have a financial problem may be going through or health problem, you may be going to or something that you can't authentically be there as a, as a worker. You know, that's what we have to get to the core of as safety people, not just look on on the surface. That's why, you know, if you go to, if you go to NIOSH and look at the total work of health, they've taken the actual um, hierarchy, hierarchy of controls and looked at it as um, a total work of health model and transpose that and look at what um different areas you can you know, affect in each area. Total worker house. That's
[00:16:51] spk_0: awesome. And you mentioned buys for those listening in the audience. Uh If you're not aware there's the A. S. S. P. Which is now change from A. S. S. E. A few years back. But that is american society, a safety professionals. And buys is a subcommittee air subgroup in there and it's black spin safety professionals. Uh excuse me remember
[00:17:14] spk_1: here, I am like a common interest.
[00:17:17] spk_0: It's a cabinet this group. So I am a junior member to Crystal. She's been in the group for quite a while and I only been for a few years myself. But truly I hear this and a lot of people who have already aware of my show, I speak openly about diversity issues. But I do hear this lot whenever I do interviews with people or just normally tell I think the people of color where there's a general sense in the market that yes, there has been some progression. You can see more people more faces that look like you in some of these events and some of these committees. However, I've always seen that when you get into the executive director position in most organizations, you don't see that same type of diversity as it goes up. I know that that's reflected in the normal society, but I'm trying to figure out how realistically we could we could deal with there's still diversity issues. But how can we break through those those things. And if anyone could safety diva you can your resume the things you do you should be in the C. Suite and you you are in in some areas. So tell us that experience of breaking through if you will.
[00:18:42] spk_1: Well it has been an experience and because of the fact that I was unable to in some instances early on in my career 15 years ago that's what had me start CDT because I wasn't getting those positions at the compensation level that I felt I deserved it as I've gone along and gotten my CSP and I'm at a certain level now I just the jobs are out there and safety. But I mean someone sent me a statistic recently from the Bureau of Labor Statistics that Out of the 885,000 safety professionals there's only 1.6% that are black And other you know um people customs. But that that comes up to about 8500 professionals in the whole country. So
[00:19:30] spk_0: wow that is amazing to me. This that is me that's me hearing this for the first time. I haven't heard that statistics before and it's so overwhelming that the representation is so
[00:19:44] spk_1: underwhelming. So um I'm looking to work with B. C. S. P. For example in the certification realm to you know to be an ambassador. I've applied to their program to be an ambassador to I speak to schools when I was at SPS, the president of the Hudson River Valley chapter I will go to White Plains High School. I've worked with. Um, sororities such as, you know, a. K. A. Going to their job. They're speaking to young people just to make them aware of safe of the safety field because most people don't even get into it until they into other fields, they don't even know about it. And so if we, you know, just being ambassadors of, you know, whether it be to get stem because stem is a real important part of our profession, the science, you know, technology, you know, math and engineering and safety really. Safety were engineers, you know, in some aspects. And so if you don't know about the field, it's hard to get into the and then to break into that C suite. It's just like you said, diversity equity inclusion is just something in all our fields. But I think I wrote an article for SSP about mentor and a power of mentoring and then I'll take it a step further. We not only need mentors in our field, we need sponsorship, we need people to sponsor us when we get into these different corporations so that they can speak for us in the C suites and advocate for us when they're in the board room and saying, listen, I have this person, this is my protege. This person would be great in this position, but it takes that person to recognize that there's a need, you know, A need for that. And one thing I found in my research is that for women, a lot of women won't go for jobs unless they feel that 100% qualified before they actually go for the job. Men are more risk takers. They'll go for a job that they have. Like maybe not all the qualifications for and they'll get them. So we have as women as well, you have to have to um have had that confidence that we can get the job. Because for me sometimes I thought it was like why am I not being higher for this? Sometimes it was the salary expectations we didn't meet. Meeting of the minds. Sometimes I really know that people didn't want me to be their face of safety. And I mean any want me to be the face of their their their director. They don't want me to be different. I've interviewed where people brought me in. It's like, oh your resume. I can't believe everything. So yeah, how did you get into construction? How did this happen? I can't just to see if I was who I was on paper. So yeah,
[00:22:18] spk_0: it's and that's a true point. So the concept of allies has always existed. Allies and everything, not just race but just truly even if you're thinking the true terms of allies such as treaties, right? So in the treaty system, it's a give and take. Sometimes you actually have more advantage than someone you want to ally with. But you can look into the future and you can see that this partnership is still going to benefit me in the long run. I don't mind if I hope this person along. So in the terms that we're talking about with promotions and everything else, you know, I had a mentor in the professional field when I used to be a regulator in order for the state of florida, I actually had a mentor who was, he hired me uh from outside the organization as a young man knowing that he was gonna grew me as his replacement. And I did not have the appearance of you know, an older white male, but he took an interest in me. He saw that man, this kid's got something and he truly mentored me into his position if you will and no one else had that position and it was it was ushering through. So as as you described, you know, not only is it mentoring, but then you're also taking that extra step and for anybody listening to this please. That is wonderful. If you're in a position you know, to help someone come in that may look different or may think things differently, you know? Yes, your reputation is that your big reputation, right is
[00:23:59] spk_1: still gonna be sponsorship, right? It's the person's reputation and you know, that's why as a person who's a mentee or to be sponsored, we have to really realize that that person is taken on, you know, their reputation as well. And just to be our authentic selves and to be an integrity, what what we do.
[00:24:20] spk_0: Yeah, absolutely. And you mentioned a couple of things about, um, there's a few things that you mentioned there. I like to turn facade of comfort or conformity. Yes. So I want to make sure I nail that one down. And that's a great idea because I believe that transcends not only trying to become a chameleon in whatever world you're in, especially if you're the new hire that also seems like, you know, when you're working situation, you start getting these social groups and eventually they're going to conform to something you hope is the value, low risk, but sometimes it doesn't, sometimes they conform to the risk takers and that's your trouble crew. You get that phone call saying, oh there's been an accident and automatically, you know, it's these guys, it's got to be, how do you combat that as a safety? Not only are you the safety consultant coming into these areas, but then you also have your workers to that you deal with, how do you do, how do you, how do you come into a situation like that and effectively change that dynamic that that that group think has
[00:25:36] spk_1: developed. So yes, you're, you're saying like the group mentality where yeah, especially in construction, you know, like the iron workers or something like that or you be like that electricians and everybody has their yeah there are reputation for taking risks or you know being like the electrician's people said they had a prima donnas on the site and like yeah. Um well I just I have just a system of just like I said I'm safety diva that that's the ice breaker. You know, I'm all things like diva on the site and I just I just let them No because you know you hear what I've been doing this 40 years ago when you know about the structure, I've made it my business to get to know what the trade. No, so I can talk to them in their own vernacular, you know and I can talk to them in their own language and once they do that then the trust has developed and you know I deal with them on their level, I meet them where they are and so once they see that you have credibility I think that helps that helps that. So dealing with the group mentality, I just try to get everybody to work together. Like Den mother, you know just try to get everybody to work together and I guess not you have to take each individual and that not judge them, just like you wouldn't want them to judge you like even though like yes they said the electricians of this and the ironworkers taken with even though I have witnessed that yes you know it's a culture. The each group has just try to deal with each individual on their own terms. And like I said when I when I get to know them I might spot that problem that there might be having you know for the day they might be having that family thing going through the divorce, having that financial issue that might be affecting their performance that day.
[00:27:32] spk_0: So yeah that's a great point because truly people's performance is at a snapshot you can't really you know one day could be good the next day they're they're completely you know been caught up with something you know they could have had a near miss and then all of a sudden that's all they could focus on wow for. The other thing that I wanted to mention that you mentioned earlier is the C. E. U. Part. Is that something that you did for what I've mentioned before for people grow in their consulting businesses. If you could offer us in any way then what will happen is people that meet the sea usual get their cycles. And then that could be a way that you could keep getting business so that you could stop those highs and lows that you get as a consultant you know. Well
[00:28:23] spk_1: thank you Sheldon. That's just such a way. Well it's such a great it works it works. That's a that's a good technique there. Well I actually have the safety diva academy that's other development is to study growing, that's part of C. D. T. J. Just consulting and you know we are partnering with uh a chef who does have who's I said approved to offer some see us for some courses and so forth. So that's something that I will definitely take into account. Yeah more
[00:28:55] spk_0: industries you have that's just a bigger the buffer so it does help and for those that are thinking, yeah, while we're at it right uh for those that are starting their business and they want to be consultant so bad. I noticed that you did the women's own to end the black owned business as well, um that gives you that leg up to get you into some grants and a few other things. What other tips would you say is to someone who is starting out that might help them differentiate themselves or be other avenues to get you know, opportunities?
[00:29:36] spk_1: Well I would definitely say find your niche, you know, like sometimes it's consultant, you know, we want to be everything to everybody but find your strengths, look at the pain points of your customers that you want to have, like what what where what do you have that will provide the solutions for their pain points, you know, I think that's key, so once you develop a real area that you want to focus and try to try to really focus on on something that you can thrive in because trying to be all things to everybody is you know it's a lot I know and I would say also even though compensation is great, you know like don't go after the compensation without losing your integrity authenticity for what you really want to offer for yourself because you you might end up working with a client that it wasn't even worth the money to do. So really, you know um I would say that's another thing um and uh just just work on your credibility and and this to be okay, I guess someone who would be sought after, you really have to just work on your credibility and your brand. And I would I would say that to do that.
[00:30:53] spk_0: Yeah. Absolutely. Especially if you're small.
[00:30:55] spk_1: Yeah
[00:30:57] spk_0: I
[00:30:58] spk_1: just took on a business partner, I want to say call him so he's my C. O. And it took a while after me growing the business 15 years to take on a partner. But um I was at a place where it was stagnant, it wasn't growing and to bring someone in with new ideas, you know or to have even if you have business coaches or you have, you know someone to come in with new ideas because sometimes you think that when you partner with people you're going to partner with people who think like you if you if you be juve innate yourself or recapitulate yourself or use have you, It's gonna work right? But that's just usually you see somebody and thinking like you and then you'll be monolithic. It's like, but if you have other people that come on and have different ideas than that can help your business grow because it's just more diverse thinking team, you know, teams working together. So I was like boy, if I could just make people want more me and if I could just have more people like me, I would know. But it's really, he's like the yin to my yak car to get to my back and uh We work so well together we're really looking to scale and grow and he's in Arizona on east coast and you know, this is beating in the middle, getting more clients. Um two look at their diversity supply chain so that they can bring us on. And also just look at the deliverables that we offer because like I said, I've had to pivot um during this covid period to work actually with movie sets and movie productions, I just finished in new Orleans working on a movie set. And I pivoted from that because of this construction drying up. So you have to think about where you can pivot what other things you might be able to do. But yeah, it was, it was great. I worked on movie sets, making sure that they had covid compliance being a compliance officer had to take a course, you know, to do that. So sometimes you might have to have more education in an area. But yeah, you have to have a, uh, a way to pivot and move and when, when trends change, you always have that training aspect that I find that like you said, Sheldon having training available education people always want to educate themselves to move into different areas of safety.
[00:33:16] spk_0: Yeah. And I remember about a year ago I talked to linda tap. So uh, yeah. Isn't she awesome? She did the show a year about a year ago. And so one of the things she mentioned on the show was as a consultant. What she found was really good was to have some sort of supplemental income that's coming in in between clients and that's why she does her training material safety funding. I'm on safety fundamentals. I remember. Yeah. So truly she's, she's been thinking about that, executing it. Is that the same with you? Do you have like another hobby or fun thing that you're doing that? That's also supplemental?
[00:34:00] spk_1: Well, that's why I'm writing this book shelters, that's passive income. So I'm halfway through this book, its
[00:34:08] spk_0: passage
[00:34:11] spk_1: And um, I mean, I work, I work with um, some insurance companies doing lost control. That's a fun thing going out to different sites. Um, I actually work with yellow Bird, They send the assignments and I've had a lot of virtual assignment should I do. And I just created a fun fun for the for protection training training program and um that's what I do for fun. I do websites as well for
[00:34:43] spk_0: people. Anything, anything,
[00:34:45] spk_1: anything I help people out with websites. I'm actually on the board of the U. S. Coalition of black women businesses and I help them as a board member. That's what I do for fun. We're trying to grow our membership, we're having a virtual launch coming up soon. So yes, I'm on the board and like I said, I'm developing this course for you for um U. C. Davis. So and I understood it so I don't have much time. I'm also part of a leadership organization that is training me to be just a leader and our coach that organization. And yeah I just uh just keep myself Busy and I'm a wife, I'm a wife and the mother of a of a 12 year old rescue dog. No, I don't have to talk. I haven't told your daughter, but she's a rescue dog named Kissy. Oh that's awesome.
[00:35:37] spk_0: Yeah man. Yellow Bird. I am, I interviewed Michelle and I just looked it up. She's episode 85 at the Yellow Bird over there. So yeah, they do some good work for people whose suits looking for, you know, plugging in the gap if you will between clients
[00:35:57] spk_1: being in this virtual world. They really um I just called it Michelle's great. I just called the records say hey you guys haven't called me in a while. I mean, so I mean I really, I'm just such a person that likes to work, you might have an exit strategy for three years for CDT working with call. But I just uh, I like to work, I don't know how much I want to be on the site per se. Me, every day I have people that put on sites now. So every day me working as a safety professional on the site, that's not where I'm at right now. I'm more actually, I've interviewed for a global position. I just don't, I don't call calls like when you're going to be like 100% entrepreneur, I'm getting there, I would say I'm 90-10 right now.
[00:36:42] spk_0: Yeah, it just takes truly, it'll be the decision where um, it always boils down to this when you come to the decision that says, uh, I could either advance quicker or make some money quicker if I could meet everyone during the hours that they're working with. So we're all on the same page then that when that decision becomes where it's a no brainer man, you transition.
[00:37:08] spk_1: Yes. And I'm actually, I had two interviews this month. One was a local and virtual position and one's global. So the only reason I'm still thinking about not doing 100% is because the opportunities and it would be in manufacturing where I think I still need to grow some, some more in my, in my knowledge, I want to, I want to do this because I feel that there's an opportunity to travel around the world, see some other safety in other cultures and countries and make an effective change. So excellent. Everybody. That's the only reason why I'm considering one more, one more position when
[00:37:47] spk_0: it's apparent to you. That's when it becomes apparent. So you know, you don't know that time. That's one of those mystery things
[00:37:53] spk_1: and that's why I took on a partner. That's why I took a call to be a partner and I trusted him with the business because while I'm still so in my safety oats, as you say, he's there for me running the business and
[00:38:06] spk_0: yeah, absolutely. So tell us if everybody had to get you with all your connections, I mean truly you've got a bunch so you let us know how to, how to get more safety Diva.
[00:38:17] spk_1: Okay, well you can reach me um at safety Diva dot org. That's our website. You can reach me on linkedin and just Google. Safety diva comes up with, you know, things that, that, that I've done. Um you can reach me 914382 3827. I don't mind you calling me, I'm accessible and um, twitter instagram I'm out there. Yeah, they voted me like one of the top 10 people to follow a linkedin and Twitter. So I really like you said, I have a lot of connections like almost 30,000.
[00:38:53] spk_0: Yeah. Yeah. You really do. And and congrats on all your your awards, you know, safety person of the year. You got everything going on.
[00:39:03] spk_1: Yeah. 2019 was really a great year for me and it's been it's been growing ever since and I'm looking forward to great things in the future. I actually have a linkedin group also for called women in the H&S and a construction safety groups. So anyone is welcome to join. There's people posting their and even as women in health and safety, I included men because I think that men and women work well together and we need men for allies,
[00:39:28] spk_0: right? That to the allies. If there's a connection with allies, there's so much we if we really really think about it, that thread actually goes through all aspects of growth in life. It's just, you know, once you, once you really start thinking about it, you know, that's that's all we're doing when we're trying to assimilate to any kind of area and environment. We're looking for allies.
[00:39:56] spk_1: Yes,
[00:39:57] spk_0: that's that's really all of those
[00:39:58] spk_1: things. Even on the site, right? I'm looking for the for the workers to be my ally and I'm their ally to so we can get production done the management wants to be an ally, right? So they want to work well with employees. So you're right, we're looking for allies. Yeah. That's the only
[00:40:13] spk_0: yeah, that's the only way to grow. You've got to find allies. So it's all the common line. It's amazing when you really start thinking about it. It's like that's the relationships we're looking for allies. So thank you so much for
[00:40:26] spk_1: spending some time with,
[00:40:28] spk_0: oh golden nut. I might have to write that one down. Golden nugget for the week. I'm writing all this stuff and that's going to come from the safety diva. You can see my notes just literally right in all your stuff down. You get gems.
[00:40:41] spk_1: Thank you.
[00:40:43] spk_0: Thank you and try the rest of your day. All right, welcome back then We have fun hearing from the safety Diva. And then at the very end we started talking a little bit about my theory about allies. So yeah, that's uh, that's something that's just come up to me, You know, my theories and allies, meaning that if we are ever looking to advance no matter where we are, whether demographics may be the only way to do it is by a strategic partnership. Allies. And it seems like that strategic partnership, it branches out into every aspect of your life when you're ready to develop and grow. So that's one of the things that I thought that I thought, man, that would be wonderful if I just mentioned it a little on the end. Just a little nugget. Like that was writing so many things from for my interview there with with the safety Diva. And I was writing like little notes and her nuggets that she has given us like on it, you can help me out with this stuff. So I had really, really good time. Thank you Christopher coming on the show, you're welcome back, She's doing a whole bunch of stuff. So I've been keeping taps with her and hopefully we could partner on something pretty soon. So another thing that I didn't wanna, I didn't want to bring up to you, I am doing an event. I'm doing a thing. So this thing that I'm doing, I'll tell you about the thing first and then I'll tell you how to get involved. So on September 11 this year, I know it's not a whole bunch of time, but I was kind of thinking how can I do an event that is going to help people this year before the year is out and I'm looking at my calendar and then looking back and forth and seeing area what can I do. So my decision was let me create a war a workshop where I'm going to help them out and what this workshop, it is called safety consulting Wanna one workshop and I am going to pretty much cram in some information for them as much as I can to get you started and I'm calling it a workshop because it's not just me presenting. I know people love me presenting, which is awesome. Thank you for giving you but it's not going to help you in the long run just hearing things and writing it down. We're going to do it. So if I wanted four hours for this on a saturday because I know you got to be doing this on the Q. T. You know really quiet. You imagine if your your actual computer listening to a four hour workshop at work about how you're going to start your own business, it's not going to go over well. So that's why we're gonna do this one on the weekend. So we're gonna do this one on saturday september 11th from one p.m. My time Eastern daylight time until five PM regular first took about you, your target market, your vision, what's your planes with your goals? That's going to take up the first hour and we're gonna do actual workshops. So you're gonna be on your computer doing this virtually with me anyway, might as well. Have you opened up another tab and then we are going to actually do things. If you could come with two screens that's going to be even better and be more efficient for you. But we're gonna find your niche. We're gonna even get down to your name and getting your domain name, getting that stuff secured. Talk about email, marketing, making sure you can grow your business, going to talk about instructional design, the thing that you could use to make supplemental income talk about partnering with big companies. We're gonna talk about finding and keeping and growing your client base and then public speaking some tips on that as well. We are offering some sponsorship for this. We already got two sponsors. Now there's four levels of sponsorships. If you want to sponsor platinum gold, there's still some in silver and bronze as well. So you could just join the sponsorship page. Yeah and if you want to be involved in this, here's the big takeaway mm tickets start ed $0, that's it. $0 to free of it. So you're gonna get four hours of instructional training with me going to walk you through your business with workshops. So tickets are starting for free. That's our general tickets. And then if you want to actually get the safety consultant blueprint course Then you can pay for that at a reduced price and that's gonna be 150. So therefore you could get the general mission and of course and then if you want to actually go a little bit further where you can have not only the general admission in the course but then we call it the consulting package where you're going to have the safety consultant tv subscription as well and a lifetime very cast pro which I used to actually record my videos and everything So that's gonna be for you. There is $300 because we also have a dish right now. $50 difficult but that's if you wanted to go and get some extras, you don't have to, if you just want to be part of the event, it's for free. Just get a view stub dot com backslash. Safety consulting one oh one view stub back dot com backslash safety consulting one oh one and be part of them. Mhm. All right gang I'm gonna leave. But before I do just want to thank everyone for listening to me. If you have not actually subscribe to the show, I do have more listeners than I do have subscribers, which is really well, it's like almost 80%. So one thing that would be wonderful for me is I can't see you listening to the show, but I could actually see subscriber ship. So that's going to help me know that there's people out there listening to me and it's not just me and the computer and the sound board. So that would be great if you could go ahead and subscribe for me. So I could know you're out there. And then also if you do have a chance to go ahead and write the show, that'll be wonderful. Give us a rating and a nice little review. That means a lot. Especially for someone trying to think should I spend my time listening to this guy or not. And now with that review with that actual rating, someone to say, hey Susie from Cincinnati thinks he's cool. All right, let me give it a listen. So that's it. That's the whole thing. Ng So thank you so much for this week. I had a wonderful, wonderful time. Thank you Safety diva for hanging out with me this week and talking to everyone in the audience. We had fun, Go get him. This episode has been powered by safety FM. Yeah. The views and opinions expressed on this podcast or broadcast are those of the host of its guest and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the company. Example by analysis discussed within the past hour are only examples. They should not be utilized in the real world as the only solution available as they are based on very limited and dated open source information, assumptions made within this analysis are not reflective of the position of the company. No part of this podcast or broadcast may be reproduced stored in a retrieval system or transmitted in any form or by any moves, mechanical, electronic reporting or otherwise. Without prior written permission of the creator of the podcast or broadcast Children. Yeah. Mhm.
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