What is life like after prison? Cover art photo provided by Patrick Tomasso on Unsplash: https://unsplash.com/@impatrickt
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A podcast for anyone who has spent time in prison or is close to someone who has. Featuring incredible stories from people who've been inside, plus advice and support for those recently released. Follow us at @afterprisonpod on Instagram and X and @lifeafterprisonpod on TikTok Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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This podcast is dedicated to the 98% of people incarcerated in North Carolina who will eventually be released from prison back into their communities, often with few, if any resources. Through the voices of people in transition and those who support them, we explore hurdles and life long barriers many justice-involved people confront whether getting a drivers license, finding housing, or trying to find a job. We examine issues like substance use disorder and mental health that plague this po ...
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We bring you real life stories of what it takes to start a business after prison from people who have been there. We’re bringing you hope, advice, and plenty of laughs. We want you to succeed, to get out of prison and never go back, and to live the life of your dreams. Own It is brought to you by Determination, Incorporated, a nonprofit in Kansas City, MO that helps formerly incarcerated people start and grow businesses. To learn more about our organization, and to join our virtual Be the Bo ...
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How Do You Deal With Uncertainty?
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23:35Zak and Jules discuss dealing with the fear of the unknown and how this affected them when leaving prison. They also hear from people inside about some of the hobbies they’ve developed to help pass the time, and the small privileges they now recognise that they’re missing out on. Useful organisations: Mental Health and Emotional Support Mind (Natio…
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It's one thing to get out of prison. It's quite another to stay out. More than 40% of returning citizens in North Carolina end up back in prison within the first two years. In this episode, we explore the reasons so many people fall down and are re-incarcerated. We'll meet Delfonzo Brewer and learn how his 27-years in prison left him unprepared for…
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Life After Prison The Spark: Scout
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27:16In this episode Jules chats to Scout, a poet, writer and broadcaster. Scout, who ended up in prison after experiencing a manic state of psychosis, explores themes of mental health, prison and sobriety in her work. She talks to Jules about rediscovering her ability to write, turning to faith in prison and learning to like yourself. The full version …
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Reflections of a Prison Chaplain
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31:44Meet Josh LeRoy, father, husband, and former prison chaplain. Josh spent roughly ten years pastoring to men in minimum security. He says it's the most fun he's ever had in any job. Learn what it was like to arrive at a new prison in the middle of Covid, how he thinks the carceral system should be changed, and why he finds prison ministry so rewardi…
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I Planned My Business In The Prison Kitchen | Abdul Bangura
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48:11Zak and Jules meet Abdul Bangura. Abdul has served three prison sentences. He is now a successful entrepreneur running his own aviation business. Abdul talks to Zak and Jules about how a chance meeting with his mentor in prison set him on a path to see his own potential. Useful organisations: The Alac Group – Abdul Bangura’s aviation Company https:…
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At the age of 20, Randolph Wilson was sentenced to life in prison in a case built entirely on hearsay. Three co-defendants, who testified against him, later recanted their testimony saying they'd been coerced by the local sheriff. After 33 years behind the wall, Randolph Wilson is a free man. This is his story. In 2023, Judy Van Wyk and April Barbe…
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Life After Prison The Spark: Kiri
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31:58In this episode Jules is joined by trainee barrister Kiri, whose dreams of a legal career were shaped when she was remanded in prison under joint enterprise law. Kiri tells Jules about the abusive relationship that caused her downward spiral, and the hard work that’s got her where she is today. Together they talk about the power of lived experience…
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Starting Your Own Business After Prison
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28:53Zak and Jules explore what it takes to start and manage a business after prison, sharing their own journeys and lessons learned. They discuss building confidence, taking opportunities, and how businesses can open unexpected doors. This podcast is also available as a video – just search Life After Prison on YouTube. Useful organisations: Social Ark …
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Life After Prison The Spark: OneDa
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28:46In this episode Jules sits down with rapper, OneDa. Hot off the launch of her debut album, OneDa explains how she broke into the music industry. She also talks to Jules about experiencing the criminal justice system in her youth, her female rap collective HerChester, and the power of bringing others up with you. Our listeners are the most important…
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From Medical Aspirations to Leading a Social Enterprise | Sobanan Narenthiran
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48:54Zak and Jules sit down with Sobanan Narenthiran, CEO of Breakthrough, to discuss his journey from dreaming of being a doctor to navigating life after prison. Sobanan shares how his sentence impacted his family and why they’re his biggest motivation to stay out, as well as reflecting on his unexpected path to becoming a CEO, his plans for the future…
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Life After Prison The Spark: Faye
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30:54In this episode Jules is joined by audio producer, Faye. While in prison, Faye found herself presenting regular shows on National Prison Radio. Now, together with Jules, she continues this work on the outside with the Prison Radio Association. Faye talks about her passion for fitness, being a parent in prison and her work on the Secret Life of Pris…
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On a Mission with a Purpose: April interviews a man on death row.
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20:14Lyle May received a death sentence in 1999. Since that time, he's found God, gotten sober, and has devoted himself to a life of scholarship and reflection. This is Episode 3 of April's special series On a Mission with A Purpose, in which she interviews people who are living with meaning and purpose despite their particular circumstance. Stay Tuned …
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In this episode, Zak and Jules explore what it’s like adjusting to life after prison, reflecting on their personal journeys, and the superstitions many people have when leaving. They hear from a listener who opens up about his entrepreneurial journey post-release and discuss the often-overlooked experiences of family and friends during this transit…
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Life After Prison The Spark: Beatrice
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32:23In this episode Jules chats to Beatrice, who has very recently been released from prison. As an aspiring prison reformer, Beatrice talks about using her experience for good. Together, Beatrice and Jules discuss the mix of emotions that come with release, the current state of the prison system and Beatrice’s hopes for the future. Useful links and or…
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How Prison Sparked a Mission to Prevent Youth Offending | Joel Dunn
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47:58In this episode, Joel Dunn, founder of The Paradigm Project, shares his journey from prison to founding a charity focused on preventing youth involvement in the criminal justice system. He talks about his background, how it all started with a mentoring course in prison, and the support network that helped him rebuild his life. Joel also discusses t…
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Life After Prison The Spark: Barbara
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30:52In this episode, Jules sits down with social impact entrepreneur, Barbara Burton. While awaiting trail, Barbara wrote a sixteen-page business plan, which became her first social enterprise during her twelve month prison sentence. Barbara talks about becoming an entrepreneur, the art of pivoting and being named as one of the BBC’s 100 Women of the W…
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In this episode of Life After Prison, Zak and Jules discuss the SDS40 scheme which facilitates early release from prison. They reflect on their own experiences and on the impact of families and friends of those being released. They discuss whether this scheme is a long-term solution and if not, what needs to change. Have your say: There is a parlia…
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Life After Prison The Spark: Catherine
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31:04In this episode Jules speaks to Catherine, a qualified personal trainer at Fitness Rush. Catherine and Jules share a love of fitness – but it’s something Catherine only recently discovered on her sobriety journey. After living through cycles of addiction, homelessness and criminality, Catherine talks about finding stability, being nominated for a N…
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Why the Justice System Needs to Change for Women | Kate Fraser
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47:27In this episode of Life After Prison, we’re joined by Kate Fraser, Head of Practice at Women In Prison, an organisation dedicated to supporting women impacted by the criminal justice system. Kate shares her journey through the prison system and into this work, exploring the unique challenges women face within the system. Kate also shares her vision…
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Life After Prison The Spark: Kirsty B
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31:51In this episode, Jules is in conversation with Kirsty. Kirsty had a tough childhood, and was exposed to drugs and violence from an early age, she was also let down by the people who were supposed to care for her. She went on to battle with her own addictions, and while spending time in prison found a path to recovery. Kirsty now spends her time hel…
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How Do You Leave Your Old Life Behind After Jail?
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34:51In this episode, Zak and Jules chat through the challenges that come with leaving your old life behind after you’ve been in prison. Zak and Jules discuss the strategies they have employed both while inside and on the outside to make sure they keep away from their old lives. They also hear from listeners who share some thoughtful advice on this topi…
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Life After Prison The Spark: Michelle
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30:41In this episode Jules chats to Michelle, a real force to be reckoned with. Michelle is a huge advocate for people with lived experience of prison working within the criminal justice system, as she knows first hand how powerful that is, and how the right support can go a long way. Michelle experienced a lot of trauma as a child and has dealt with a …
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I Changed My Mindset In Jail: Kieron Bryan
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52:01Kieron Bryan is an author, entrepreneur and former prisoner. In this episode, Kieron tells Zak and Jules how while serving a long prison sentence he discovered his passion for books, and read over 250 behind the door. He also shares how he used the skills he learned while in jail to set up multiple businesses, write a chess book for kids called ‘Th…
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Life After Prison The Spark: Milan
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33:22In this episode Jules chats to Milan. Milan works as a careers advisor, alongside studying for a degree in criminology. She’s a self confessed ‘geek’, which is something she found out about herself while serving 8 years of a 16 year sentence in prison. Milan talks to Jules about the different obstacles she dealt with in prison, including the death …
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Formerly incarcerated people face a number of barriers as they try to rebuild their lives after prison. One big one is employment. In this episode, we learn about one company that's made a commitment to providing a second chance and find out what can happen when justice-involved people are given an opportunity. In 2023, Judy Van Wyk and April Barbe…
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Did You Ever Get Ghosted On A Prison Visit?
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31:42In this episode Zak and Jules discuss prison visits. They share their memories of visits they had while they were serving sentences, and talk about what they learned from people still inside about the things they like best about visits. They also talk about the prison walk of shame; what happens when someone ghosts you on a visit. In part 2, Zak an…
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Over the past 20 years, North Carolina’s Legislature has increased court and criminal fees by 400 percent. A good percentage of that money is disbursed to the state’s General Fund, not allocated to the courts, which remain grossly underfunded. In this episode, we learn how court-imposed fees lock people in a cycle of debt and can lead to additional…
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Life After Prison The Spark: Kirsty G
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32:46In this episode Jules talks to somebody who is working hard to make prisons more supportive places for people with autism. Kirsty has an autism diagnosis herself, and after many years of struggling to find the right support, and having spent time in prison herself, knows what needs to change. She is now using her voice to make changes in the crimin…
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Working with Women on the Inside
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29:54With so much focus on the mass incarceration of men, we often overlook the fact the number of incarcerated women stands almost seven times higher today than it did in 1980. Bianca Harris has watched the rise since she began her career in corrections in 1993. After more than 20 years at North Carolina's largest women’s prison, she has a lot to say a…
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A Prison Officer's Story: Alex South
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53:15In this episode, Zak and Jules sit down with former Prison Officer, Alex South to discuss her time working in some of the UKs most notorious prisons including HMPs Whitemoor, Wormwood Scrubs and Belmarsh. Alex tells Zak and Jules about the main reasons she wanted to become a prison officer, and talks about the characters she met and the conditions …
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Life After Prison The Spark: Tracy Mackness
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29:53In this episode Jules talks to successful business woman, Tracy Mackness, who’s had a huge transformation from a self-proclaimed ‘Essex Bad Girl’ to a pig farmer. Tracy runs the Giggly Pig Company, and has around 600 pigs, (as well as 18 dogs and 2 chickens!). Tracy first came into contact with pigs when serving a 10 year prison sentence. One of th…
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Are You Playing Catch Up With Life After Jail?
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29:42In this episode, Zak and Jules talk about their experience of having their life on hold when they were in prison. They discuss how they felt they were playing catch up in some areas of life while they were inside, and hear from listeners who share their own reflections. Zak and Jules spend some time talking about some of the things they learnt from…
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A Father & Son Speak from the Heart
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32:34Edward Scott believes having difficult conversations with his loved ones is part of what it takes to be strong person and a good father. He invited us to listen in to the conversation he had with his grown son Terrell about what it was like to grow up without him because he was incarcerated. In 2023, Judy Van Wyk and April Barber partnered to creat…
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Life After Prison The Spark: Lilly Lewis-Bell
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32:20In this episode Jules chats to Lilly about her incredible journey. After being abandoned as a child, spending two decades in abusive relationships, losing her children to the care system and spending nearly 4 years in prison, Lilly couldn’t be any more content with how her life is now. She works tirelessly to help other women going through the crim…
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Bonus Episode 2_ On a Mission With a Purpose
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9:58On a Mission With a Purpose is a series of interviews conducted by April Barber Scales. Felishia McPherson describes how the lack of cultural understanding she experienced with mental health therapists in prison sent her on a mission to become a mental health counselor herself. Today she is Licensed counselo and a Peer Support Specialist specializi…
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I Experienced White Privilege in Prison: Chris Atkins
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54:17In this episode, Zak and Jules meet the film maker and host of the A Bit of A Stretch Podcast, Chris Atkins who was sentenced to 5 years for Tax Evasion. Chris talks to Zak and Jules about being on bail for 4 and a half years before he was sentenced and the struggles he faced in prison being separated from his young son. Chris also opens up to Zak …
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With a shortage of mental health services in this country, prisons and jails have become a dumping ground for people with mental illness including people with conditions like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Too often these conditions go untreated and people are released back into the community with no support. Learn how Fit Wellness takes a hol…
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Life After Prison The Spark: Sunnie
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36:35In this episode Jules meets Sunnie, a Prisons and Community Support Worker for ID Essence. Sunnie and Jules find many similarities between their own stories. They talk about the lead up to Sunnie being sent to prison, what she did to fill her time inside, and how it was being released from prison as a young woman, after going in as a teenager. Sunn…
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Incarcerated with more than two life sentences, Joe Perry thought he was condemned to die behind bars. But once he found a sliver of hope, he decided he would become a man worthy of his freedom. It took many more years but Joe is now a free man living and working in Durham. This is his story. In 2023, Judy Van Wyk and April Barber partnered to crea…
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What Stigma Do You Have To Deal With When You Have a Loved One In Jail?
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26:47In this episode, Zak and Jules hear from listeners about the judgement they have faced because they have a family member in prison. They also talk about how long they would wait before telling a potential partner they have been to jail, and the shame and judgement attached to having a sentence. Later, Zak and Jules spend some time discussing ways t…
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Life After Prison The Spark: Jen Joseph
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38:33The Spark is a brand new strand of Life After Prison, where Jules speaks to women who have been through the CJS about The Spark they found which set them on a path of transformation and change. In this episode Jules meets the actor, Jennifer Joseph. Jen talks about some of the work she’s proudest of, such as the Donmar Shakespeare Trilogy, and Kae …
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I Made People Laugh In Jail: Nabil Abdulrashid
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50:27Zak and Jules catch up with comedian, Nabil Abdulrashid as he drops in to the studio in the midst of his Purple Pill tour. Nabil chats to Zak and Jules about arriving from Nigera and landing in one of London’s most notorious estates, how he ended up in jail and what he did to pass the time while he was there. He also talks about his comedy career, …
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How Can I Manage My Finances After Release?
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29:32When you first get out of jail, managing your finances can be tricky, even opening a bank account can be difficult. Clean Slate is an organisation that helps people with their finances. In this episode, Emma, their head of programmes, joins Zak and Jules, to explain how to set up a bank account, how Universal Credit works and signposts to lots of u…
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What’s it Like Having a Relationship on the Outside, when you’re in jail?
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23:59Zak and Jules are continuing to chew over the massive subject of relationships when one or other of the people involved are in prison. In this episode they focus on how it feels when you’re inside but the person you love is on the out. Useful Organisations: Prison Phone Limited https://www.prisonphone.co.uk/ Sussex Prisoners Families – https://www.…
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How Can I Rebuild My Confidence After Prison?
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23:05This week on Life After Prison we’re throwing it back to a really important episode about building your confidence up again when you've been inside. Whether it’s navigating social situations, knowing what to say in a job interview, or feeling like people are judging you for your conviction, it can be really tough to get your confidence back after s…
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I Went From Care To Prison: Ian Thomas
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52:28In this episode, Zak and Jules sit down with Ian Thomas to talk about his experience of the care system, and his journey from care to addiction, prison and recovery. In the first part of this incredible conversation, Ian shares the story of how he was first arrested aged 10.5, and talks about how his addiction began. If you’re struggling with your …
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How Can I Manage My Health When I Leave Prison?
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23:47This week we're throwing it back to a really useful episode about managing your health once you have left prison. Kate Morrissey from NHS England joins us to explain how to register with a GP, talk about the NHS Reconnect service and how to access it and provides information about where else you can go for support for different healthcare needs. Or…
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What's It Like To Have A Partner In Prison?
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20:03Zak and Jules hear from listeners who have partners in prison and talk about how tricky it can be when your loved one is behind the door. This podcast is also available as a video – just search Life After Prison on YouTube. Useful organisations: Sussex Prisoners Families – https://www.sussexprisonersfamilies.org.uk/ Partners of Prisoners https://ww…
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How Can I Take Care of My Mental Health After Prison?
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25:04In this episode, Jules and Zak are joined by Wendy Robinson from CALM to talk about taking care of your mental health after you leave prison. We talk about how challenging it is when you first come out, and how reality can be different to what you expected. Wendy talks about how normal it is to struggle with your mental health after prison and the …
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How Do you Deal with A Life Sentence? Steve Gallant
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49:09Steve Gallant was serving a life sentence for murder when he made headlines for tackling a terrorist on London Bridge. In part one of their conversation with Steve, Zak and Jules hear all about the events that happened on that dramatic day on London Bridge in 2019, and how it led to Steve receiving the Queen’s gallantry medal for bravery. They also…
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