Who says you can't change the world? Meet the people who are. Wayne Hsiung, law professor-turned-grassroots animal rights activist and multi-state felony defendant, uncovers the people behind the political, the unexplored personal stories of social change. Intimate interviews with journalists, musicians, filmmakers, community leaders, and others. Change isn't easy. But it must start somewhere. * Blog * Website
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Freedom and Farewells: The Sonoma Trial Aftermath
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Wayne delves into his emotional and profound journey, fresh from his release from jail following the Sonoma Trial. This episode provides a candid exploration of Wayne's time behind bars, offering a unique perspective on the parallels between jail life and factory farms. Listeners will gain insight into the sentencing and probation conditions impose…
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The Moral Stress Test: Animal Personhood on Trial
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The heart-wrenching ordeal of Ruby the horse in Sonoma County unveiled a chilling viewpoint entrenched in our legal system: "Animals are property," as the County's Operations Manager for Animal Control voiced. But this is not where the conversation ends. Steven Wise, affiliated with the Nonhuman Rights Project, pushes back, advocating fervently for…
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Rescue as a Way of Life: Rewriting Humanity's Relationship with Earth
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Wayne dives into the scorching reality of the summer of 2023, officially declared by the UN as the hottest on record. As the tendrils of climate change tighten their grip, our planet is subjected to catastrophic consequences. From the disturbing Maui fires to the harrowing tales of animals and humans alike struggling against nature's fury, the evid…
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Open Rescue: More Than Just a Tactic, A Symbol of Animal Rights
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Animal activists Priya and Wayne discuss the essence of open rescue, emphasizing its symbolic role in the animal rights movement beyond just a tactic. Sharing their experiences of facing trials, challenges with the legal system, and personal confrontations with powerful entities, they reflect on their inspirations, particularly the animals they see…
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How Saving One Hen Can Save Billions
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Dive deep with Wayne into The Simple Heart’s eye-opening post, “How Saving One Hen Can Save Billions.” In 2017, Julianne Perry rescued a calf, leading many to question how we could save all 12,000 who were left behind. Perry set the stage for a debate that extended far beyond the confines of a single animal rescue. This episode explores the societa…
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The Moral Panic Over Animal Rights
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Curtis Vollmar was convicted in Utah for leafleting on a public sidewalk. Tracy Murphy was charged with grand larceny for aiding two stray cows who wandered onto her property. And, most recently, a member of Congress wrote a letter to the FBI asking for action to be taken against "vegan extremists." There is a moral panic over animal rights unfoldi…
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The Dirty Tricks of the Foster Farms Trial - Alicia Santurio and Jon Frohnmayer
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Defendant Alicia Santurio and attorney Jonathan Frohnmayer on how we won another historic victory in the Foster Farms Trial.
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I’m pausing the podcast, to take on some big new projects. What I’ve learned from the last couple years, and what’s coming next.
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What Happens When Friends Disagree - Leighton Woodhouse
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Leighton Woodhouse is a journalist documentary filmmaker, and an iconoclast. He’s a (former?) leftist who now critiques movements for police accountability, racial justice, and even climate change. I disagree with him — vehemently in some cases — on almost all of these issues (and even on some aspects of animal rights: the cause that originally bro…
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Effortless Climate Impact – Helena Merk
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How to Transform Thanksgiving — and Maximize your Coffee (Priya Sawhney)
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The Link Between Fear and Evil – Hadar Aviram
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Hangout: How Buddhism Can Help Everyone
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Gene Baur - The First Open Rescue
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Hangout: How to Know What’s Right
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Fighting for Democracy - Alex Chow and Anna Kwok
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Hangout: The Most Important Influencer is... You!
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Filling the Gaps - Justin Marceau (legal scholar)
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The Greatest Trial in St. George History - Jeremy Beckham
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Taking on Smithfield in Court… and Winning — Paul Darwin Picklesimer, Almira Tanner, and Curtis Vollmar
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The Multiverse Bends towards Compassion - Priya Sawhney
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One Week Before the Fight of Our Lives — Paul Darwin Picklesimer and Jon Frohnmayer
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Amy Meyer and Jeremy Beckham - Fighting Ag Gag
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Finding Inspiration Amidst Horror - Almira Tanner
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Dr. Michael Martin - Fighting Nuclear War… and Red Meat
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It’s a Just World, After All (Or is it?) - Legal Scholar Hadar Aviram
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From Cop to Criminal - Carter Dillard
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30 Years of Freeing Animals - Ingrid Newkirk
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Not that Bunny - Jeremy Beckham
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Jeremy Beckham is a long-time animal rights activist who I’ve wanted to have on the show for a while. For one, Jeremy has an encyclopedic knowledge of animal rights history – and the lessons from that history for anyone who cares about social change. For another, Jeremy has an important perspective on modern progressive politics, and how our desire…
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Animal Sanctuaries: A Model for Human Politics - Sherstin & Zoe Rosenberg
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Zoe Rosenberg and Sherstin Rosenberg are two of the most inspiring people I know. Shocked by the horrors of factory farming about 10 years ago, they decided to start a sanctuary for animals that had a unique focus: giving each individual animal world-class care. Zoe, as a teenager who ultimately would choose to be home-schooled, and Sherstin, a vet…
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From Baywatch to Open Rescue - Alexandra Paul
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Alexandra Paul was on Baywatch, the most watched television show on the planet in the 1990s. But instead of following in the footsteps of other Hollywood stars, she did something different: she turned her life toward activism. When I asked Alexandra, who is one of the happiest and most centered people I know, why she took that route, she shared som…
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A Tale of Three Cover-Ups - Paul Picklesimer & Jon Frohnmayer
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On May 20, the Court of Appeals in Utah ruled against us in our effort to reverse a trial court order forbidding us from introducing evidence of animal cruelty in a criminal trial involving an open rescue at the largest pig farm in the nation. The decision, though not unexpected, was still a tough one. There is no factual dispute as to what happene…
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The Two Emotions that Drive Social Change - Doug McAdam Ph.D.
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In 1968, Doug McAdam was an aspiring basketball player and occasional anti-war activist when he heard the devastating news: Martin Luther King, Jr. had been assassinated. He pulled over to the side of the road and started bawling. But things only got worse that year. Within months, Bobby Kennedy, who many believed would be the next President of the…
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Does Social Change Depend on Religious Faith? - Katie Cleary
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Katie Cleary is a model, actor, entrepreneur, and documentary maker. She has not only hung out with some of the biggest names in Hollywood – but also headed out to the frontlines of animal abuse, to protect endangered wildlife from poachers who are armed to the teeth. But she’s also something else: a Christian. And while I sought Katie out for this…
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Media Trust, Addiction, Owning Mistakes - Jane Velez-Mitchell
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Jane Velez-Mitchell is a former news anchor who created one of the biggest grassroots platforms for information on animal rights. She’s also a recovering alcoholic, who speaks openly about some of her most embarrassing experiences as an addict. And the mistakes Jane has made have, in many ways, given her the wisdom and strength to succeed. What’s t…
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What to do if You’re Assaulted on National TV - Moby
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It’s not every day that a puppet dog is attacked on national television at an award’s ceremony. But that’s exactly what happened 20 years ago, when the musician Moby was insulted and threatened by the rapper Eminem, who proceeded to also assault a puppet dog on live TV. As the world processes what happened with Will Smith and Chris Rock at the Acad…
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Is the Food System about to Collapse? Is the World? - Noah Smith (economist)
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A few weeks ago, Noah Smith, an economist who writes for Bloomberg and on Substack, wrote one of the most important blogs I’ve read about the crisis in Ukraine. And it was all about food. You see, Ukraine and Russia make up a whopping 25% of all wheat exports in the world. And while most of the world has been talking about guns and gas prices, Noah…
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When a Journalist Becomes a Rescuer - Donny Moss
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In 2013, I co-founded a ragtag grassroots outfit called Direct Action Everywhere. We did street theater in grocery stores and silly flash mobs in Louis Vuitton and spoke truth to power wherever we could, even when our voices would shake. And while we earned some fans for our passion, most of the mainstream media, and even the world of nonprofit act…
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Russia, Ukraine, and the Problem of Mutually Assured Bulls***- Steven Fish
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Professor Steven Fish is a political scientist at UC Berkeley who has spent decades studying Russia, Putin, and the rise of authoritarianism. But before he was a political scientist, he was a young student visiting Russia on a tourist visa. And while there, he noticed something odd: people were lying to him. He knew they were lying to him. They kne…
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Has Identity Become a Weapon Against Progress? - Briahna Joy Gray
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Briahna Joy Gray, who served as national press secretary for the Bernie Sanders presidential campaign, triggered a firestorm when she announced that she would not be voting for Joe Biden in April 2020. Many, including her former boss, criticized her unwillingness to moderate her political views to fight a common enemy: Donald Trump. This is why it’…
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How to Take on The Government (and Win) - Kecia Doolittle and Matt Johnson
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What happens when the full power of the state comes after you, for exposing nightmarish abuse at factory farms? If you’re Kecia Doolittle or Matt Johnson, you fight back – and you win. Kecia is a founder of Project Counterglow, a grassroots initiative to create a nationwide map of factory farms. Matt Johnson is a core organizer for the animal right…
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Shaleen Shah - The Untold Story of the FBI’s Hunt for Lily the Piglet
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In August 2017, I received a phone call that changed my life. “Wayne, there are FBI agents here,” the voice said. “They’re searching for Lily.” For years, DxE had been openly rescuing animals and daring the industry or government to prosecute us for rescuing dying animals from factory farms. We knew repression was going to come. What we didn’t know…
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Matt Johnson & Jon Frohnmayer part II - The Prosecution of Whistleblowers and the Co-opting of the Human Species
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In just 9 days, one of the most important trials in animal rights history will begin. My friend Matt Johnson faces a felony charge for saving the life of a sick baby pig, and exposing one of the most disturbing episodes of animal torture in recent memory: ventilation shutdown (VSD) at Iowa Select Farms, or ISF. The practice of VSD, which involves s…
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Mary McDonnell - How to Change an Organization
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Around the year 2004, I decided I was going to devote myself to an immense project: veganizing the University of Chicago. I had seen one too many slaughterhouse videos and was suffering from night terrors with images of animals being torn to pieces alive. And the U of C (which is what Chicago grads call the school) was a quirky place where people b…
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The Backstory of the North Carolina Trial - Jon Frohnmayer
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I went into trial in North Carolina with big ambitions: arguing in court, for the first time in my life, that animals are not property, but living creatures with rights.But that came crashing to a halt in the first few minutes of my opening statement. The judge cut me off, ordered the jurors out of the courtroom, and threatened to remove me from re…
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Lessons on Love. From a Killer. (Special Episode)
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My best friend was born to kill. It was not her choice, and perhaps not her fault. But she has a history of violence that would make a serial killer squirm.There was the time she ripped open someone’s head and left their ear hanging from a string of skin. Or the time that she grabbed her victim’s throat so tightly that the screams went silent. It w…
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Duncan Watts - It’s A “Small World” After All
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Duncan Watts, the Stevens University Professor at the University of Pennsylvania, is a living legend. HIs paper, Collective Dynamics of Small-World Networks, is one of the most cited papers in the history of sociology. (There are Nobel Prize winners who have fewer citations in their career than that single paper by Duncan.) And while his name is no…
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Evan Wolfson - The Thesis that Started a Movement
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Today I’m in preliminary hearings in Sonoma County, California, relating to the mass open rescue of dozens of dying animals from some of the largest factory farms in the nation. In less than two weeks, I’ll face my first felony trial in Transylvania County, North Carolina, where I’m being prosecuted for seeking to protect a baby goat named Rain, wh…
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Leighton Woodhouse & Shant Mesrobian - The Great Reversal
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Leighton Woodhouse is a journalist, video producer, and dear friend – and one of the sharpest people I know. Shant Mesrobian is a former Obama staffer who, along with Leighton, has become a key voice in what I call the “post-left” critique of the modern Democratic Party. You see, both Leighton and Shant come from classic leftist backgrounds: labor …
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