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We’re talking about actions – and diving deep into the motivations and mechanics behind some very successful people. They’re risk takers and dreamers, business folk and believers, all discussing the journey toward achieving their specific goals. Join us as we plumb the depths of these everyday experiences and have a drink or two along the way.
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Hutch Money Minutes

John "Hutch" Hutchinson

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You know that financial education you wish you got in school? Well, here's your chance to reenroll anytime you get in your car or go to the gym. Everyone should be educated enough to properly manage their own money situation if they really want to. Even if you’re someone who wants professional help, most people choose their advisors based on some kind of personality contest rather than a merit-based system since that’s the only context they have. Let’s face it, the money industry is purposef ...
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Welcome to Terra Tribulations: The Rise & Fall of LUNA, which will air every Wednesday. Your hosts, Hutch and Lucky, were avid community members of what was once the fastest growing cryptocurrency project during its parabolic ascent in 2021 and its rapid demise in 2022. Terra/LUNA was more than just another meme coin – it was a movement. The goal was to take the technology of decentralized finance to the next level. But let’s be clear, this story was as much about human nature as it was abou ...
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The Book XChange Podcast

John F. Lovell & Jude Joseph Lovell

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Identical twin brothers discuss their favorite individual titles, writers and books - based on their 50 years of reading, writing and celebrating their mutual love of all things literary. SEND YOUR EMAIL: bookxchangetwins@gmail.com ”I love what you do. We need more discussion of what really matters, like literature.” - T.C. Boyle, award-winning novelist and short story writer ”Brilliant and edifying.” - DAVID LAFIOSCA, Managing Director of Financial Operations, NCAA ”I would encourage you to ...
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This episode features a conversation with Zane Peterson, a young entrepreneur who, straight out of high school, built a successful forestry business in the timber industry. Peterson's journey from brokering wood chips to managing a multi-faceted timber operation showcases his innovation, resilience, and the impact of good mentorship. Despite his yo…
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Short fiction fans, here's another episode tailor-made for you. Jude and John sit down and discuss some of our personal "unforgettable" short stories - not necessarily our all-time favorites, but the ones that we just can't get out of our heads... sometimes years or even decades after having read them. A few classics are discussed here (Bierce, Lov…
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Welcome to the Book XChange's Science Ficiton Xtravaganza, wherein your humble twin hosts line up and discuss a plethora of science fiction titles we've read, remembered, and want to recommend. Science fiction is SUCH an incredibly broad genre to cover, and we don't even try to survey it all - rather, we list books we've read over the years that ha…
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Imagine overcoming a debilitating speech impediment and Tourette Syndrome, rocking the music world, and then walking 3,100 miles to find yourself. Jeremy Schulz's incredible life journey, shared on the latest episode of the Forward Drinking Podcast, is a testament to the resilience of the human spirit. From drumming his way to fluency to surviving …
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According to our personal (and this podcast's) annual tradition, brothers and co-hosts Jude and John Lovell list their favorite reading experiences of the year that was 2023. Then we choose a few titles each to dive into at greater length, titles that didn't come up or weren't discussed in depth in any of the episodes recorded in the past year. We …
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IMPORTANT: The editing on this version of Episode 64 was messed up, sadly, and the audio was accidentally uploaded in a jumbled order. We apologize for the screw-up. If you want to hear the Episode as it was originally intended, and we hope you do - please download the "FIXED Episode 64" version of this show, which will appear in the feed very soon…
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This time out, you're listening to the BookXXChange podcast... get it? We're focused on characters bearing the XX chromosome in Episode 63, wherein Jude and John choose their most memorable FEMALE characters in fiction. It's quite a diverse list as we cover everything from literary classics to Westerns, fantasy epics, immigrant stories, and even st…
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"The Rabbit Hutch" by Tess Gunty is a debut novel by a young writer from Indiana that has taken the literary world by storm, winning the prestigious National Book Award last year and garnering ecstatic praise far and wide. But what did America's favorite book nerd twins think of this buzzy, socially conscious novel? That question gets answered in e…
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Well Constant Readers... one week later, we have made good on our promise (against all odds!) and we present to you Part 2 of our Stephen King extravaganza. We begin with an in-depth take on King's 2022 novel Fairy Tale, which we both enjoyed - and then, John lobs several King-related questions at Jude (the more experienced King reader) that are de…
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Episode 61 of everyone's favorite twin-led book podcast is so big, it had to be split into two parts! But, when your subject is the all-time legend and prolific writer STEPHEN KING, well, then it makes sense. This double-barrelled episode has been a long time coming for your fraternal hosts, as we are of the generation that has literally grown up r…
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What exactly is it about memoirs that make them so widely read and discussed, and so compelling? What distinguishes a good memoir from one that becomes a classic in the genre? What makes a person's experience or ordeal worth sharing with a wider audience, and what value can another person's trauma/survival story/struggle impart to a reader? For our…
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In our second "Read Around the World" episode (the first being Episode 55), we turn our focus to our neighbors just south of us... the rich, fascinating, troubled and beautiful mystery that is Mexico. We touch on famous Mexican writers such as Paz, Fuentes and Ruflo, but also recommend titles in different genres (comic novels, crime novels, thrille…
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In this final episode, our guest host, John Simons, interviews Pastor Jeff, as we celebrate and draw to a close the MLN podcast. Pastor Jeff discusses all that he's learned through the 6+ years of recording the podcast, the importance of building relationships with many of the guests, and how to keep growing as a leader. As a senior pastor, there i…
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Host John Hutchings sits down with Caleb Vallotton, a former professional combat sports athlete turned entrepreneur. Caleb shares his journey from a promising wrestling career in high school to earning a scholarship at Oregon State University. He discusses the importance of goal setting and the mental toughness required to excel in sports and entre…
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One of our "!" episodes (after "Thriller!" and "Monsters!," check the archive for those) which, we think, means a wide-ranging and rollicking ride through a popular genre of books. In this case, spectral encounters and paranormal activity... from dusty old classic haunted house tales to meta/modern freakouts that play with cliches and conventions, …
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Another episode-length discussion of a single novel we've deemed worthy of extra attention! This time around, the lads discuss an American classic neither of us were at all familiar with, Joseph Heller's world-famous debut novel Catch-22. We share our own personal impressions, talk about the impact it has had on the culture, compare and contrast it…
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We're a bit late here as far as the calendar goes, but the subject of fathers and fatherhood will never get stale. We had intended to publish this episode to align with Father's Day, but... June got away from us a little bit. That said, Jude and John talk about some of their most notable father figures in literature, and recommend books that explor…
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This time out, the BXC brothers begin their new occasional series, "Read Around the World," and set their sights on books from/about Australia, New Zealand and Tasmania. These episodes will be your literary "travel guides" to places we may never get to visit in person, but have indeed visited in our imaginations and reading lives. We had a blast to…
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In this month's episode, Pastor Jeff sits down with Patrick Holcombe to expand on his section of the Versus 'Lead' curriculum, Where Are You Called to Lead? As a successful business owner, Patrick has had the opportunity to lead in his workplace, but he also speaks to being a spiritual leader in all facets of life!…
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From his humble beginnings in a farming community in Central Oregon to co-founding, growing, and then selling the crowdfunding platform, YouCaring, Luke Miner's entrepreneurial journey is extraordinary. He talks about wanting to be a pastor like his dad when he was younger. Luke also shares about his first business - a Christmas tree lot - and how …
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Our occasional "BXC Reviews" series returns with an in-depth discussion of the TWO new novels from the highly regarded American writer Cormac McCarthy. Since our show's inception we've been looking for a chance to discuss McCarthy's work, and while this episode isn't a deep dive into his whole catalog, it is an extensive (and spoiler-filled) discus…
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In this month's episode, Pastor Jeff sits down with 'Captain Canada' Ryan Smyth to discuss last nights Versus Conference and his amazing story. From growing up in Canada, to his time in the NHL and his families recent relocation to the Nashville area, Ryan is the epitome of giving your success over to the Lord. Growing up, Ryan was always a talente…
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We are thrilled to be back, after a long hiatus, with a brand new episode in which your co-hosts Jude and John discuss some of the best books we read while we were on break. A little bit of Irish writing, poetry, a few science fiction selections, ancient civilizations, some social satire... there's quite a variety of titles here as regular follower…
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After an extended hiatus due to technical challenges, Jude and John Lovell tease the return of the Book XChange podcast. Readers and book lovers around the world, buckle up! We hope to start bringing you new episodes very soon... Want to suggest a topic for an upcoming episode? Please do email us at bookxchangetwins@gmail.com. We're eager to get Th…
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As men, our tendency is to walk through life in isolation. Work, busyness, and home responsibilities can get in the way and cause us to neglect one of our most important needs: each other. At Versus, our goal is for all men to do life together. That's why our motto is Don't Go Alone!על ידי Rolling Hills Community Church
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Get ready for a high-energy, awe-inspiring podcast episode featuring the incredible Cynthia Stephens, a powerhouse entrepreneur, army veteran, philanthropist, and mother. Host John Hutchings takes us on an unforgettable journey through Cynthia's inspiring story, starting with her humble upbringing in East St. Louis, Illinois, and her unshakable det…
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In this month’s episode, Pastor Jeff sits down with Nic Allen, Rolling Hills’ Nashville Campus Pastor. They dive into the topic of tragedy, and how we, as Christians, should respond to it. In lieu of last week's events at Covenant School in Nashville, Pastor Jeff felt the need to address such an important topic. Today, Good Friday, is a day Christi…
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In this month's episode, Pastor Jeff sits down with Bob Ravener, successful businessman and author of his new book, Up! The Difference in Today and Tomorrow is You. Bob has worked in some of the worlds most notable and successful businesses: Starbucks, Home Depot, Pepsi Co., and Dollar General, and he has so much wisdom on life, struggles and facin…
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Join host John Hutchings as he sits down with Bruce Dean, co-founder of Black Bear Diner, in this episode of the Forward Drinking Podcast. Hear how Bruce's first job as a dishwasher at Sambo's Restaurant at 15 ignited his passion for the restaurant business, leading him to co-found Black Bear Diner and grow it into a successful enterprise with 154 …
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Join host John Hutchings as he sits down with Sam LaRobardiere, co-owner and head roaster of Theory Coffee Roasters in Redding, California, on this episode of the Forward Drinking Podcast. Learn how this Marine Corps veteran went from roasting in attics as a satellite TV installer to roasting award-winning coffee and building a rapidly expanding cr…
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In this month's episode, Pastor Jeff sits down with three amazing women from our staff: Women's Director Miranda Kokes, Digital Engagement Director Chloe Haddad, and Kathy Koon, our awesome Staff Counselor. With Valentine's Day coming up, the ladies share with us "what women want" in a man. Each of these women have different years of marriage exper…
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Hear the raw, no bulls**t story of the journey, challenges, and details of starting and growing Fall River Brewing Co., a 10-year old craft brewery in Redding, California. Show Notes: Photo Eric Thomas video Thanks for listening to the Forward Drinking Podcast! If this episode has motivated you to create your own amazing story then please subscribe…
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In this months episode, Pastor Jeff sits down with longtime friend and mentor Larry Atema. Larry is full of wisdom and has been serving Rolling Hills behind the scenes since its creation. Larry is the CEO of Commonwealth Development Group, the company that headed construction of the Music City Center, Ascend Amphitheater, and many other special pro…
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Today’s episode features an awesome conversation with actor Jesse Hutch! Jesse has been in a ton of movies and television shows and he's an awesome man of God. He is super passionate about his faith, and he loves sharing Jesus with everyone he comes across. Often, Jesse works on set with the lost, and he feels like God uses him to reach people in H…
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Today’s episode features a wonderful conversation with John Simons, the new Men's & Sports Pastor at Rolling Hills! John comes to us from Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, CA where he previously oversaw Men's and Community groups. John is passionate about helping men grow in spiritual maturity/leadership and excited to work hands on with the Versus…
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Today’s episode features a wonderful conversation with Mike Minter, founder of Reston Bible Church and Associate Teaching Pastor at Rolling Hills. Mike founded RBC in 1975, and it has grown into a congregation of 2,300 people today. He is married to his wife Kay, and they have four children. Mike has worked hands on with men for many years, and he …
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To start, Chase shares his powerful testimony with the listeners. He was invited to a fellowship event in his hometown of Fountain, Colorado and he immediately felt God pulling on his heart. The message that night was on salvation, and it couldn’t have been more relevant for him. At the center of his story was the simple act of invitation, and it w…
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We've been forced to take an indefinite hiatus from recording, but hopefully this is NOT the end of the BXC podcast! John Lovell delivers an explanation of why we haven't recorded new episodes in a little while. Thanks for listening, and stay with us! -The BXC Twinsעל ידי John F. Lovell & Jude Joseph Lovell
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To begin, Jason shares the story of his upbringing and how he came to faith and eventually caught fire for the Lord. At the center of this faith journey is the story of a miraculous conversation with a stranger at church. Jason then unpacks the feeling that many men have about their personal faith journey because they don’t have a dramatic story of…
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This time around, the Book XChange looks forward to the rest of 2022 - and discusses books we haven't read, but hope to soon once they hit the shelves. We've loaded up the current episode with titles we are most anticipating as the rest of the year unfolds, and why we're looking forward to them. Fiction, non-fiction, memoirs, graphic novels... it's…
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Diego is a husband and a father of three children, and he knows that those are the roles that come first in his life. But, for a week this summer, Diego did the unthinkable: he stepped up from serving his three to the church’s 300. The biggest focus of his conversation with Jeff is on that decision to consistently serve, whether it’s on a busy sunn…
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The great and unclassifiable American novelist and journalist JENNIFER EGAN takes center stage in Episode 51 of the Book XChange podcast, and this is an episode co-hosts Jude and John Lovell had been looking forward to for a long time. Her 2010 novel 'A Visit to the Goon Squad' won the Pulitzer Prize, and now 12 years later Egan returns to some of …
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The Bible is chock-full of examples of other men gathering together and calling on each other to do the things that they do as they imitate Christ. So, we, too, have opportunities each day to surround ourselves with Godly men who set the kind of example in their walk that we need. Men came from all over to attend Versus, and God put them there for …
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Poetry is on the menu for this milestone 50th episode of the Book XChange - and why not? The world's only double-barreled bibliophile podcast takes on the challenge of reading poetry in our hyper-fueled, attention-challenged 21st century: is reading poetry worth the struggle? What is the value of slowing down, focusing one's attention and taking on…
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The Versus 22 Men’s Conference was an awesome time! In today’s episode, Jeff sits down with Grammy-Award Winning artist, Shay Mooney, to recap the evening. Plus, Shay shares his story of small-town beginnings and a lifelong walk with Christ. Shay’s insights on fatherhood, the challenges of being a man, and the insufficiency of money and status are …
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In this (quite literally) world-spanning episode, Jude and John look at books that dare to confront one of the most vexing and critical issues of our time: the impact our race is having on the physical environment. Our "common home" (in the phrase favored by Pope Francis) literally hangs in the balance due to a whole series of choices we've made as…
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In the 16th century, Michel de Montaigne created a new form of literary self-expression. He called these short pieces "essays," from the French verb "essayer" - "to try." In Episode 48 of everyone's favorite literary podcast hosted by genetic duplicates, Jude and John "try" to explain the appeal of essays to them, and why they find it to be one of …
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