Have you ever looked around at your tech company and realized you’re one of the oldest people in the room…and you may not even be 40 yet? It gets late early is a podcast and community focused on the experience of aging as a tech employee. We’ll uncover the root of Silicon Valley’s obsession with youth, and parse fact from fiction. We’ll explore individual experiences across tech companies of various sizes, learn from experts, and share practical advice on how tech workers can build long and ...
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A discussion about ageism being directed towards educators 55+ and the wider reaching detrimental effects this can have on a community. Cover art photo provided by JJ Ying on Unsplash: https://unsplash.com/@jjying
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10 Hard Truths about Ageism
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In this last episode of the year, I reflect on what I’ve learned in 1.5 years of podcasting about ageism in the workplace. Spoiler alert: it’s a big deal for all of us, whether you’re fresh out of school or deep into your career, so let’s roll! Did you know having a positive mindset about aging can add 7.5 years to your life? That’s more than quitt…
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Thriving as an Individual Contributor, Embracing Power Skills, and the Myth of Workplace Vulnerability with Everybody Be Cool’s Author, Hanan Harb Sahourieh
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Ever feel like you're trying to navigate a corporate obstacle course while juggling flaming torches and keeping your cool? Like you're supposed to be "authentic" but also "professional," vulnerable but not too vulnerable? Well, today we're diving into the workplace circus with Hanan Harb Sahourieh, the brilliant mind behind Everybody Be Cool - a bo…
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Fired for Being 42, the Insane Age Discrimination Case No Lawyer Would Take, and Picking Up the Pieces with Over 40 Founder Emilia D'Anzica
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Imagine hitting all your KPIs at work, only to be told you're out—because they want someone younger. Well, that’s exactly what happened to today’s guest, the incredible Emilia D’Anzica. And trust me, her comeback story is one for the books! Emilia is the founder of Growth Molecules, an author, and an all-around powerhouse. She takes us through her …
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How Menopause Affects Productivity at Work, Corporate America’s Neglect of Women's Health, and the Billion-Dollar Cost to Businesses with Tamsen Fadal
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Did you know that menopause affects over half the population and costs companies billions in lost productivity each year? And yet, it's still one of the most overlooked issues in the workplace. Well, today’s episode focuses on the impact of menopause on the workforce. I share my experience with a tech company's absurd mishandling of women’s health,…
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Why Some Women Try To Look Older At Work, Gender Bias in Big Tech, and Building an AgeTech Company in a Youth-Obsessed World with Wisdom.io CEO Cathy Minter
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The world population is aging, and with 10,000 people turning 65 daily, new opportunities are emerging in the tech industry. So, today, we're exploring the AgeTech revolution with Cathy Minter, the CEO and co-founder of Wisdom.io. AgeTech? Yeah, it's a thing, and it's been quietly changing the game since 2016. But we're not talking about teaching y…
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Indeed’s Ageist Career Guide, Viral LinkedIn Reaction, and the Impact on the Ageism Debate
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In this solo episode, I break down the recent controversy surrounding a career guide published by Indeed, the world’s largest job site, with 365 million daily users and over 3.5 million employers. Here’s a teaser: The guide labeled ages 45-55 as “late career” and 55-65 as “decline,” sparking an outcry over its ageist language. I stumbled across the…
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Surviving Corporate via Humor, Navigating Layoffs, and Age-Shaming at Work With HR Besties’ Jamie Jackson
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Today I've got Jamie Jackson, the brilliant mind behind 'Humorous Resources', 'Millennial Misery,' and 'Horrendous HR,' and the co-host of the HR Besties podcast. She's not just your average HR pro - she's like the standup comedian of the corporate world, using humor to keep us all from losing our minds in the 9-to-5 grind. Jamie's hilarious social…
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How You're Getting Discriminated Against at Work, Part 2, with EEOC Commissioner Keith Sonderling
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In the last year alone, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) received nearly 81,000 charges of workplace discrimination. And here's a kicker – age discrimination made up a whopping 17.5% of those cases! This is not merely a fringe issue in our society. In today’s episode, I sit down with Keith Sonderling, the EEOC commissioner, to exp…
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How You’re Getting Discriminated Against at Work, Part 1, with Attorneys Peter Romer Friedman and Elizabeth Aniskevich
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My guests today are Elizabeth Aniskevich from the AARP Foundation and lawyer Peter Romer-Friedman, two powerhouses in the fight against age discrimination. They're here to shed light on this pervasive issue that's been hiding in plain sight (or, should we say, in plain algorithms?). Remember when job listings could brazenly ask for "recent college …
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How to Reinvent Your Career After 40 With Career Coach John Tarnoff
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Are you feeling stuck in your career and afraid to make a bold move? John Tarnoff, the career reinvention coach and founder of the Mid-Career Lab, will shake up everything you believe about mid-career shifts, especially if you're rocking that over-40 life! Get ready to flip the script on job loss and retirement. John shows us that getting fired is …
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Ageism in Tech, Career Evolution, and Creating Comedy Content With Corporate Bro
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We're bringing back some comic relief of the highest order by republishing one of the all-time most downloaded episodes of It Gets Late Early, featuring genius comedian Ross Pomerantz, aka Corporate Bro (or just Corp). If you’re newer here, you probably haven’t heard Ross’s take on getting older in general or in the ageist tech industry…and trust m…
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The Wall Street Skinny X IGLE: Ageism, Sexism, and Conquering the Challenges Women Face in Tech and Finance
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The fantastic Jen Saarbach and Kristen Kelly from “The Wall Street Skinny” podcast join me today for a candid and super fun crossover episode on the challenges women face breaking into and growing their careers in the male-dominated industries of Tech and Finance. Jen and Kristen tell us how they started “The Wall Street Skinny” to democratize acce…
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Building a $25M Tech Company Without VC, Gender Barriers, Social Media Fame, and Writing “Scaling With Soul” With Sharon Gillenwater
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Ever wonder what it takes to build and sell a tech company for millions without venture capital? Well, we've got the inside story straight from the source! Today I'm chatting with Sharon Gillenwater, a trailblazing entrepreneur who did just that - she built and sold her tech company (Boardroom Insiders) for a cool $25 million, all without relying o…
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The Unexpected Impact of Remote Work on Young Employees, Toxic Stereotypes, and Gen Z's Little-known Need for Mentorship with Megan Gerhardt
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In a recent study by Fortune, one in five Gen Z’s reported not having spoken to anyone over 50 in the workplace in the last year, while 40% of people over 55 said they hadn't talked to a Gen Z. How did we get here? How do we bridge this generational divide? Are the five generations at work a challenge to overcome, or are they an overlooked source o…
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The Trouble With Capitalism, Ditching Our Hustle Culture Mindset, and Becoming More Human-Centric in the Age of AI With Anti-career Coach Danielle Roberts
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In our hustle-obsessed society, the concept of "work-life balance" has become a twisted, unattainable ideal. From the dawn of our careers, we're fed narratives that glorify overachievement and self-sacrifice for the corporate grind. But what if we've been sold a lie? What if the real keys to fulfillment lie in dismantling those deeply ingrained not…
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Male Loneliness and the Struggle to Make and Maintain Friendships as Men Age With ‘Billy No-Mates’ Author, Max Dickins
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In our fast-paced, career-driven world, it's all too easy for friendships to take a backseat. But for many men, that dwindling social circle isn't just an occasional inconvenience - it's a harsh reality made worse by societal pressures and masculine stereotypes. My guest today is Max Dickins, speaker, comedian, and author of Billy No-Mates: How I R…
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Working With Jeff Bezos, Navigating Sexism at Amazon, Growing Confidence, and Getting Sober at 43 With Exit Interview’s Kristi Coulter
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Ever wondered what it's like to work at Amazon? I mean, if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere, just like New York, right? It feels like after you’ve done time at Amazon, your meal ticket is punched, and you’ll have a cascade of job offers and great opportunities thereafter. But would you give your soul in exchange for a career at Amazo…
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How to Be a Better Manager With Ashley Herd of Manager Method and HR Besties
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Becoming a manager through a promotion or receiving a job offer is a rewarding accomplishment for an employee. While these opportunities can prove exciting for both first-time and long-time managers, not everyone is innately gifted with the skills it takes to be a good manager. Ask just about anyone, and they’ll tell you about that bad boss (or 7) …
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Ageism in Tech is REAL and People Are Reacting: The Story Behind the VIRAL LinkedIn Post ft. Vern Six
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When applying for a job, the hiring process can feel like a waiting game. But what's even worse than waiting for who knows how long or being ghosted altogether is blatantly experiencing age bias while in an interview with a recruitment officer. That's what today’s guest, Vern Six, experienced, which he shared in a LinkedIn post that resonated with …
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Why Companies Need to Pay Attention to Older Consumers With Entrepreneur Brian Clark
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As more people live longer, consumer brands need to consider the needs of the older population. Companies that neglect senior consumers, especially the Baby Boomers, can end up missing a massive opportunity to attract and retain a growing market and make a ton of money along the way. Older generations, those 50 and older, make up 51% of consumer sp…
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How to Have a More Fulfilling Midlife With MEA Wisdom Co-Founder Jeff Hamaoui
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Are you yearning for a more fulfilling midlife? Turning 40, 50, or 60 is a big deal, and a bit scary for many people. However, we can shift our mindset to view it as something hopeful: the beginning of our second adulthood. Instead of thinking of it as a period of decline, we can embrace this period and even begin to feel happier with each passing …
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Today's Most Dangerous Conversation: Blame It on the Boomers? Hear Chad Sowash’s Take
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It is a popular opinion among some people of the younger generations that baby boomers have gotten all the good stuff and left nothing but a broken system for future generations. But boomers, now in their older years, are facing something new and decidedly less good: ageism. Should we feel sorry for them? Should we advocate on their behalf, and on …
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The Right Way to Implement a DEIB Strategy: A Conversation with Smartsheet's VP of DEI, Amelia Ransom
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Many companies are aware of the importance of promoting DEIB in the workplace. It's where you implement measures to ensure your employees feel respected and are treated fairly in an inclusive environment where they can feel comfortable as themselves - and in so doing, create optimal business outcomes. However, many companies fail miserably when it …
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Against All Odds: How a Latina Immigrant Jeweler Found Her Way to Techstars With Mariana Chambers
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Do you love jewelry? I do! But more than the jewelry, I love how today's guest makes beautiful jewelry accessible to many people. Mariana Chambers founded Cut + Clarity, a premier destination for customizable, fine jewelry sustainably crafted in NYC. As an immigrant from Buenos Aires, Argentina, Mariana lives out passion and tradition in every aspe…
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The Working Class Podcast Crossover With It Gets Late Early Feat. Attorney Ryan and Maureen
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Have you ever experienced any form of bullying or harassment in the workplace, which makes you wonder why you accepted that job in the first place? How exactly do you deal with workplace issues without sacrificing your future in the company? Today's episode is a bit different from the norm: Attorney Ryan, aka The Labor Lawyer & Working Class podcas…
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Psychological Safety, Imposter Syndrome, and Shameless Parenting With Sara Dean
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Which working mom do you know who has it all together? I can't think of anyone. Oh wait…why don’t we ask the same question about dads? Why aren’t they called working dads? Being a parent is an incredibly fulfilling experience, but it comes with a heck of a lot of challenges, none of which you can ever be fully prepared to face. But the truth is wor…
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The Super Age: How Demographic Change Impacts Us All With Author Bradley Schurman
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The term "Silver Tsunami" has gained prominence in recent years, signifying a considerable demographic change with far-reaching impacts. This phenomenon refers to the rapid increase in the aging population, primarily due to the aging baby boomer generation. But we like “The Super Age” as a description better for obvious reasons. A quarter of the U.…
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How Slowing Down Can Improve Your Life and Work with Author Carl Honoré
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“Anything worth doing is worth doing slowly.” - Mae West Do you feel like you're constantly running on the treadmill of life? Not sure how to pause and stop feeling like you always have to be doing something? Anyone else just tired…all the time? In this ultra-modern world, we are encouraged to be busy, juggle tasks, and be as productive as humanly …
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How to Pivot Into Solopreneurship With Ex-Silicon Valley Exec Larry Cornett
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Do you want to make a living doing more of what you love? Are you ready to discover the joy of solopreneurship and the freedom it brings? Have you been curious about whether you can take a side hustle into a primetime slot? Today's episode features Larry Cornett, a Business Advisor and Leadership Coach. He works with frustrated employees who dream …
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Exploring HBO's Silicon Valley, Being Old for Tech, and Finding Your Twin Flame Employer With Dan Lyons
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Note: Due to tech issues with my headphones and microphone, my audio on this show isn’t of the typical quality for It Gets Late Early. But Dan sounds great! If you love comedy and work in tech, you must have watched HBO's Silicon Valley. If you haven't…fix that immediately, but it's a show about the struggles of Richard Hendricks, a Silicon Valley …
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How Age Bias Impacts Your Career and How to Fight Back With Textio’s Sandy Matus
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You may not consider yourself old at 40, but you begin to think about it when you see most of your co-workers in their 20s or 30s being commended for their youthful “energy,” “enthusiasm,” or “hunger.” Many employees strive for success in mid-life and beyond, but they also regularly struggle with varying degrees of ageism - and it’s especially bad …
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Update Your Mindset to Upgrade Your Life With Burnt-Out Tech Exec Turned Coach Jason Komosa
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Have you ever felt like you’re checking all the boxes in life to be considered a success, but you’re still left feeling unfulfilled? Do you ever think to yourself, well, as soon as I get this promotion, or as soon as I make some money, I’ll be happier…but then that thing happens, and you’re still feeling empty? Do you ever wonder whether the stress…
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Promote Yourself to CEO of Your Career With A Life After Layoff's Bryan Creely
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Not sure if your resume and interview skills are up to par to land you your next great role? Bryan’s courses will give you everything you need. Use coupon code "GETSLATEEARLY" for a 10% discount. Imagine planning to buy a new house in the new city where you’ve moved for your new job, when, all of a sudden, you’re told you’re being let go. You thoug…
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How to Survive a Toxic Workplace with HRManifesto’s Leigh Elena Henderson
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Have you ever questioned whether you're in the right company or on the right career path? Are you suffering from burnout or feeling trapped in a toxic work environment and need to talk to someone but have no one to turn to whom you can trust? Today, I have an HR expert turned content creator who knows precisely what that's like, and she's here to o…
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From Young on Wall Street to “Old” in Tech with Anthony Franzese
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Ever wondered what it's like working on Wall Street? The allure of working in the finance realm endures. But why would a guy leave Wall Street to work in a tech startup or, specifically, a company all about fertility and family planning? Today, I have Anthony Franzese, who has embarked on an unlikely and interesting career path. He started his care…
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Think Your Age Got You Fired? What Lawyers Say to Do Next
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Although stereotypes about older people proliferate in our culture, employers are not supposed to rely on them when making workplace decisions. Several state and federal laws prohibit employers from discriminating against employees based on age, gender, or race. Still, age and other forms of bias are prevalent in tech and other industries. What pro…
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Why Interviewing Sucks for Older Candidates With John Parisi
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Today’s episode features a good friend and tech veteran, John Parisi, who is 63 and currently applying for tech jobs. Although he started working at practically the same age as everyone else, he woke up one day wondering, "When did I become the old man at these companies?" A decade ago, I was THAT person who made fun of him for being the oldest guy…
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How Corporate Bro Feels About Getting Older With Ross Pomerantz
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Today’s episode features millennial comedian and tech sales icon Ross Pomerantz, also known as Corporate Bro, or, increasingly, Corp. After selling SaaS solutions in Silicon Valley, Ross exited the full-time tech sales employee route in favor of focusing on, well, a lot of other stuff: comedy, filmmaking, advising, investing, speaking, acronyms, wr…
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What Older Tech Employees Face in Silicon Valley with Matt Curtis
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As we continue to explore what it’s like to get older in tech, we’ll get stories and insights from people who have seen and experienced it firsthand while working at a range of companies in many different cities and regions. Today’s show features a conversation with my friend, Matt Curtis. He is essentially a Silicon Valley native who started his c…
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Land Your Dream Job at Any Age With Julie Chase and Mai Hoang of Dream Job Catcher
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Over the last year, top talent has flooded the market after a string of tech layoffs, making things more difficult for everyone from the unemployed to the unhappily employed. Given the headlines, it might come as a surprise to know that some people have been able to find and land not just any job, but fantastic jobs in tech…and today’s guests are h…
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What Do Older Workers Bring to the Table? With Inclusion Researcher Daniel Jolles
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In raising the topic of the experience of aging in tech, a big question loomed for me: “What do experienced older workers bring to the table for their employers?” Today's guest has made answering this question his life’s work. Daniel Jolles, a one-time tech consultant, is a researcher in behavioral science at the London School of Economics (LSE), s…
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Life as an Older Woman in Tech with Devin Moonbeam
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Today we have a special guest, Devin Moonbeam (a pseudonym, her choice!). She is an accomplished VP of Marketing in her 50s who has had a long career in the tech industry. Devin will share why getting older in tech is tough, especially for women. She points out the root causes of this issue and candidly shares what she has seen and experienced. But…
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Over 40 in Tech? An ex-Amazon Recruiter Tells You What to Expect with Lori Prutsman
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Looking for a job but realizing they seem to be looking for someone…younger? In this episode, I sit down with “The Burnout Coach,” Lori Prutsman, who worked as a tech recruiter at multiple agencies, and within tech itself at both Amazon and Booking.com. She left tech after experiencing burnout - in part due to her own fears of ageism - and now coac…
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Aging in Tech: Older Employees are Being Driven Out
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Do you work in the tech industry and worry that you're considered old, even though you may not even be 40 yet? Do you feel like younger colleagues are getting all the opportunities and promotions while you are worrying about “aging out” of tech before you can even retire? If so, you're not alone. Welcome to It Gets Late Early, a podcast about the e…
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Have you ever looked around the proverbial Zoom room at your tech company and found yourself to be among the oldest there, despite not being even close to “old?” Have you worried about “aging out” of tech if you don’t reach a certain title by a certain time? What is “old,” anyway? Well, it turns out that in the tech sector…it gets late early. Reall…
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EDU301 Assignment
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In this podcast we talk about ageism and how it ahow up in no summit out of sight.
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