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Episode 012: Embrace the REPL

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תוכן מסופק על ידי Christoph Neumann and Nate Jones, Christoph Neumann, and Nate Jones. כל תוכן הפודקאסטים כולל פרקים, גרפיקה ותיאורי פודקאסטים מועלים ומסופקים ישירות על ידי Christoph Neumann and Nate Jones, Christoph Neumann, and Nate Jones או שותף פלטפורמת הפודקאסט שלהם. אם אתה מאמין שמישהו משתמש ביצירה שלך המוגנת בזכויות יוצרים ללא רשותך, אתה יכול לעקוב אחר התהליך המתואר כאן https://he.player.fm/legal.

Christoph complicated development by misunderstanding the REPL.

  • We go back to the roots of Christoph's experience with Clojure...
  • How do I run Clojure code?
  • The REPL is fun for evaluation, but how do you run a "real" program?
  • Experience in other languages: edit the file, compile, rerun the program
  • Mentality: get through the edit, compile, run loop as fast as possible!
  • Autobuilder is the logical end.
  • "Where's my autobuilder in Clojure?!"
  • The REPL model is fundamentally different.
  • "[The REPL] is like cutting the Gordian Knot. You change the problem and that's how you solve it."
  • "The reason why the problem I wanted solved, wasn't 'solved', is because nobody has that problem because they do things differently here."
  • Tactic 1: edit, save, restart the REPL
  • "Restarting the REPL isn't super slow, but let's just say it's not instantaneous."
  • Tactic 2: edit, save, run (use 'the.namespace :reload) in the REPL
  • "Now I have a REPL history of use statements!"
  • Problems:
    • forgetting to reload dependent namespaces
    • loading dependencies in the wrong order
    • old definitions built up
  • Big Problem: function renames left the old version around, so accidental calls using the old name produced no errors and ran old behavior!
  • Back to quitting the REPL to clean out the cruft. Ugh!
  • Discovered clojure.tools.namespace! Reloads everything and cleans out the cruft!
  • Tactic 3: edit, save, (use '[clojure.tools.namespace.repl :only (refresh)]), (refresh)
  • Problem: refresh would purge itself!
  • "I don't know why it took me so long to discover the magical user namespace!"
  • The REPL will automatically use the user namespace.
  • "I can put code into a user namespace and it will be there for me."
  • Christoph would switch namespaces in the REPL without even stopping to wonder what namespace he started in.
  • "It's like walking out of a door and not even thinking about the fact you're in a building. Oh wait! What room did I just leave?"
  • Tactic 4: make sure refresh is in the user namespace, edit, save, (refresh)
  • However, Christoph still didn't understand the REPL.
  • Just thought the REPL was for:
    • reloading the code and restarting
    • evaluating snippets of code
    • inspecting stuff
  • Nate's big ah-ha moment: "Not only is my application inspectable, it's fungible. I can change it in place as it's flying along! I don't have to restart it!"
  • Christoph's hint that there was still more came from seeing comment blocks in code and reading about vim-fireplace.
  • "There's a new room you can explore. That room is editor integration with the REPL."

Clojure in this episode:

  • use
  • clojure.tools.namespace.repl/refresh
  • clojure.pprint/pprint

Related projects:

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תוכן מסופק על ידי Christoph Neumann and Nate Jones, Christoph Neumann, and Nate Jones. כל תוכן הפודקאסטים כולל פרקים, גרפיקה ותיאורי פודקאסטים מועלים ומסופקים ישירות על ידי Christoph Neumann and Nate Jones, Christoph Neumann, and Nate Jones או שותף פלטפורמת הפודקאסט שלהם. אם אתה מאמין שמישהו משתמש ביצירה שלך המוגנת בזכויות יוצרים ללא רשותך, אתה יכול לעקוב אחר התהליך המתואר כאן https://he.player.fm/legal.

Christoph complicated development by misunderstanding the REPL.

  • We go back to the roots of Christoph's experience with Clojure...
  • How do I run Clojure code?
  • The REPL is fun for evaluation, but how do you run a "real" program?
  • Experience in other languages: edit the file, compile, rerun the program
  • Mentality: get through the edit, compile, run loop as fast as possible!
  • Autobuilder is the logical end.
  • "Where's my autobuilder in Clojure?!"
  • The REPL model is fundamentally different.
  • "[The REPL] is like cutting the Gordian Knot. You change the problem and that's how you solve it."
  • "The reason why the problem I wanted solved, wasn't 'solved', is because nobody has that problem because they do things differently here."
  • Tactic 1: edit, save, restart the REPL
  • "Restarting the REPL isn't super slow, but let's just say it's not instantaneous."
  • Tactic 2: edit, save, run (use 'the.namespace :reload) in the REPL
  • "Now I have a REPL history of use statements!"
  • Problems:
    • forgetting to reload dependent namespaces
    • loading dependencies in the wrong order
    • old definitions built up
  • Big Problem: function renames left the old version around, so accidental calls using the old name produced no errors and ran old behavior!
  • Back to quitting the REPL to clean out the cruft. Ugh!
  • Discovered clojure.tools.namespace! Reloads everything and cleans out the cruft!
  • Tactic 3: edit, save, (use '[clojure.tools.namespace.repl :only (refresh)]), (refresh)
  • Problem: refresh would purge itself!
  • "I don't know why it took me so long to discover the magical user namespace!"
  • The REPL will automatically use the user namespace.
  • "I can put code into a user namespace and it will be there for me."
  • Christoph would switch namespaces in the REPL without even stopping to wonder what namespace he started in.
  • "It's like walking out of a door and not even thinking about the fact you're in a building. Oh wait! What room did I just leave?"
  • Tactic 4: make sure refresh is in the user namespace, edit, save, (refresh)
  • However, Christoph still didn't understand the REPL.
  • Just thought the REPL was for:
    • reloading the code and restarting
    • evaluating snippets of code
    • inspecting stuff
  • Nate's big ah-ha moment: "Not only is my application inspectable, it's fungible. I can change it in place as it's flying along! I don't have to restart it!"
  • Christoph's hint that there was still more came from seeing comment blocks in code and reading about vim-fireplace.
  • "There's a new room you can explore. That room is editor integration with the REPL."

Clojure in this episode:

  • use
  • clojure.tools.namespace.repl/refresh
  • clojure.pprint/pprint

Related projects:

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