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1 Episode 34: A new approach to test data management 40:57
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הפעל מאוחר יותר הפעל מאוחר יותר רשימות לייק אהבתיWelcome to episode 34 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, the Curiosity team explore a new approach to test data management, one that aligns with the test data needs of large organisations. The conversation begins with Huw and James discussing the challenges organisations face in test data management as they approach 2025. The introduction of AI is seen as a potential solution, but James stresses the importance of a structured approach to test data management through their new framework: Discover, Act, Monitor. Discover Gain full visibility into your application landscape. Understand what data exists, how it’s structured, where it’s located and who uses it for more informed decision-making. Act Intelligently execute on actionable insights gained from the discovery and monitoring phases of your test data journey. Monitor Proactively govern your test data and leverage AI-driven insights, to help you anticipate issues, optimise processes, and ensure compliance across your whole enterprise. This approach describes how organisations can effectively discover their data, act on insights, and continuously monitor changes to maintain data integrity and quality. Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about test data delivery, quality, and productivity!…
1 Episode 33: Why quality is an end-to-end process with Anand Bagmar 57:15
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הפעל מאוחר יותר הפעל מאוחר יותר רשימות לייק אהבתיWelcome to episode 33 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, Rich Jordan and James Walker are joined by special guest Anand Bagmar, a software quality evangelist with 25 years of experience in software testing. Together, they discuss Anand's journey into the testing field, his philosophy of being a 'quality bartender,' and insights from his recent speaking tour. The conversation delves into the challenges of test automation, the importance of shifting left in testing, and the role of AI in the testing landscape. Anand emphasizes the need for testability, the complexities of end-to-end automation, and the importance of having a strong voice in organizations to drive quality improvements. The episode concludes with Anand's advice on adopting practices that work for individual contexts rather than blindly following trends. Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!…
1 Episode 32: From manual to automation with Jim Hazen 55:23
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הפעל מאוחר יותר הפעל מאוחר יותר רשימות לייק אהבתיWelcome to episode 32 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, Rich Jordan and James Walker are joined by special guest Jim Hazen, seasoned test automation architect and quality consultant. Together, they discuss the evolution of testing, the challenges faced in the industry, and the importance of education and critical thinking in testing. Jim shares insights on the misconceptions surrounding automation, the shift towards technical skills, and the impact of AI on testing practices. James and Jim emphasize the need for a mindset change in management regarding the role of testers and the tools they use, advocating for a collaborative approach to testing that values both technical and business perspectives. Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!…
1 Episode 31: Building tools to solve tester's problems with Sanjay Kumar 48:04
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הפעל מאוחר יותר הפעל מאוחר יותר רשימות לייק אהבתיWelcome to episode 31 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, Rich Jordan and James Walker are joined by special guest Sanjay Kumar, Founder & Creator of SelectorsHub. Together, they discuss Sanjay's journey in developing tools for the testing community and his mission to solve quality problems. Sanjay and Rich start the conversation by exploring the challenges in the testing industry, such as the disconnect between managers and practitioners, the resistance to adopting new technologies, and the need for a shift in focus from process to solutions. Sanjay highlights the importance of community feedback, continuous improvement, and the balance between risk and quality in software development. Sanjay Kumar shifts the conversation towards the challenges and expectations of test automation. James and Rich highlight the importance of having a realistic approach to automation and not expecting it to solve all problems. The team also touched on the misconception that AI can do everything, and the need to use AI in the right context. AI should be used in the right context and not as a replacement for all algorithms and tools. Sanjay emphasized the importance of identifying and solving real problems faced by testers and developers, even without AI. He shared his approach of quickly developing and launching solutions based on user feedback. Sanjay ended the episode by encouraging the testing community to create solutions for the problems they encounter! Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!…
1 Episode 30: AI's Role in The Future of Software Delivery with Sergio Freire 49:23
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הפעל מאוחר יותר הפעל מאוחר יותר רשימות לייק אהבתיWelcome to episode 30 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, Rich Jordan and James Walker are joined by special guest Sergio Freire, Director of Solution Architecture, Test Management at Xray and TestRail. Together, they discuss the future of testing, software delivery and the impact of artificial intelligence. The conversation delves into Sergio's journey into the testing field, the evolution of testing practices, and the cultural challenges organisations face in adopting effective testing strategies. Sergio also shares his insights on balancing automation with exploratory testing and the growing role of AI in enhancing testing processes. James and Sergio emphasise the need for a collaborative culture in software development and the significance of quality engineering as a team effort. The episode highlights that while automation is essential, exploratory testing, intuition, and human experience remain invaluable in assessing risks and driving continuous improvement in testing practices. Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!…
1 Episode 29: The Role of Technology in Banking with Felipe Fabricio 45:50
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הפעל מאוחר יותר הפעל מאוחר יותר רשימות לייק אהבתיWelcome to episode 29 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, Rich Jordan and Ben Riley are joined by special guest Felipe Fabricio, Software Engineer & Global Young Leader at Santander. Together, they discuss the challenges of implementing change in large financial service organisations and the need for careful planning and communication. The episode starts with Felipe sharing his journey from wanting to study agronomy to becoming a software engineer, his experiences working in the UAT environment, and the challenges of implementing change in a large financial services organisation. Rich and Felipe also explore the differences between the Brazilian and UK financial services markets, the need for speed and control in software development, and the shift from a project-led to a product-led approach. Felipe discusses the importance of technology in the banking industry and Santander's focus on global initiatives to simplify and improve their products. The team also talks about the centralisation of quality processes and the use of data to measure and improve software quality. Felipe shares examples of simplification efforts, such as reducing the number of connections to the mainframe and automating data generation. He emphasizes the need for effective communication and the ability to convince others in order to drive change. Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!…
1 Episode 28: Artificial Intelligence & Testing with Daniel Nilsson 42:24
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הפעל מאוחר יותר הפעל מאוחר יותר רשימות לייק אהבתיWelcome to episode 28 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, Rich Jordan and James Walker are joined by special guest Daniel Nilsson, Co-Founder & Managing Director of Test Scouts. Together, they discuss AI and testing, focusing on how testers can improve the quality of AI systems and the tools that can enable them to do so. Rich and Daniel start the conversation by discussing the challenges of testing autonomous vehicles and the need for trust in AI. The team discuss the importance of quality in safety-critical systems and the need for evidence and structure in the development and testing process. Daniel highlights the potential for cross-pollination between the embedded systems and application worlds. The conversation also covers the topic of continuous learning and the culture of curiosity within organizations. James and Daniel share their experiences with mentorship, internal conferences, and weekly learning challenges to foster a culture of continuous learning. They emphasize the importance of leaders living the values they want to cultivate and encouraging small steps towards improvement. Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!…
1 Episode 27: The Evolution of Quality Engineering with Phil Royston 48:20
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הפעל מאוחר יותר הפעל מאוחר יותר רשימות לייק אהבתיWelcome to episode 27 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, Rich Jordan and James Walker are joined by special guest Phil Royston, CEO & Founder of Tesena. Together, they discuss the evolution of quality engineering as a role and why continuous improvement is essential in the software testing industry. Phil Royston starts the conversation by sharing his journey into the testing and quality industry. He emphasizes the importance of mindset change and the shift from a tester-centric approach to a cross-functional, collaborative approach for quality engineering. The conversation explores the challenges of breaking down silos and the need for continuous improvement in the software testing industry. James and Rich explore the importance of soft skills in DevOps and testing, and the role of experts in teams. They also delve into the challenges faced by leaders and managers in quality engineering and the transition to non-hierarchical teams. Phil also brings up the concept of self-organisation, and the impact of culture on team dynamics. The conversation concludes with advice for newcomers in the industry starting their quality engineering journey. Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!…
1 Episode 26: Addressing Outer Loop Productivity Blockers with Nishil Patel 38:03
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הפעל מאוחר יותר הפעל מאוחר יותר רשימות לייק אהבתיWelcome to episode 26 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, Rich Jordan and James Walker are joined by special guest Nishil Patel, CEO & Founder of BetterBugs. Together, they discuss the evolution of quality engineering and the importance of taking a holistic approach to approach outer loop quality. Nishil Patel starts the conversation by explaining how Betterbug helps improve QA productivity by streamlining bug reporting and providing developers with all the necessary information to debug issues. Bug reporting and feedback collection enhances QA productivity and improves collaboration between testers and developers. It allows testers to record bugs and provide detailed information for debugging, making the bug triaging process more efficient. The conversation between James and Nishil highlights the importance of proactive quality assurance and the role of tools like Betterbug in supporting the quality engineering process. The team then explores the challenges of achieving developer productivity and the need for organizations to focus on the outer loop of software delivery. The team concludes by stating the key to improving quality is not just tooling, but also process optimization and a focus on people. Organizations should identify the gaps in their SDLC and address them through process improvement and collaboration. The goal is to augment people's abilities and productivity, rather than replacing them with technology. Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!…
1 Episode 25: How to Build a Successful QA Team with Natalie Cole 46:03
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הפעל מאוחר יותר הפעל מאוחר יותר רשימות לייק אהבתיWelcome to episode 25 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, Rich Jordan and Ben Riley are joined by special guest Natalie Cole, a QE Team Manager and Quality Advocate. Together, they discuss the people, processes, and technology involved in building a successful QA team! Natalie Cole, starts the discussion by sharing her experience managing a team of 10 QAs and software engineers. She highlights the importance of people, process, and technology in building a successful team. Natalie emphasizes the need for the right people with the right skills and work ethics, implementing best practices and processes, and utilizing the right technologies. She also discusses the challenges of shifting towards a test pyramid approach and the importance of involving QA in all phases of the software development life cycle. Natalie advocates for QA and emphasizes the financial and brand benefits of quality testing. The most important aspect for Natalie is catching the majority of defects in QA before critical defects reach production. She emphasizes the importance of conducting root cause analysis and post-mortems to understand and prevent defects. Rich Jordan adds that psychological safety is crucial in using metrics effectively and avoiding blame. The conversation also covers Natalie’s approach to hiring, focusing on work ethic and asking detailed questions about past projects. Natalie also mentions the importance of self-education and staying up-to-date with industry trends. The team also touches on the benefits of practising Behaviour Driven Development (BDD) and the importance of communication and collaboration in eliminating defects early. Natalie advises QE managers to believe in themselves, understand their leadership style, and continuously improve their processes. Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!…
1 Episode 24: How to Manage IT Technical Debt with Marcel Mersie 38:48
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הפעל מאוחר יותר הפעל מאוחר יותר רשימות לייק אהבתיWelcome to episode 24 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, Rich Jordan and Huw Price are joined by Marcel Mersie, Technical Lead - Test, and Executive Advisor to the Dutch Tax Administration. Together, they discuss how effective communication and collaboration are crucial for managing knowledge transfer. Organisations face significant challenges when employees retire, as this often leads to knowledge leakage. To mitigate this, modelling and documentation can effectively capture and transfer critical knowledge before it’s lost. Effective communication and collaboration between teams are also crucial for seamless knowledge sharing and addressing these challenges systematically is essential. In government organisations, implementing AI and modernising technology can be particularly difficult due to the fear of making large decisions and the complexity of legacy systems. Additionally, a lack of resources and skilled personnel often poses significant obstacles. Resistance to change and comfort with existing processes further hinder progress. Therefore, improving communication and collaboration between teams is vital for the successful implementation of new technologies. Also, refactoring and addressing technical debt are important strategies to maintain efficiency and prevent future problems. Intelligent use of technology can enhance testing processes and overall organisational efficiency. At which point it's the visionary leaders who can drive essential changes for successful transformation. By adopting a systematic approach and fostering an environment of open communication and collaboration, organisations can better manage knowledge transfer and technological advancement. This ensures that critical knowledge is retained, efficiency is maintained, and future challenges are proactively addressed. Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!…
1 Episode 23: Risk-Based Quality Engineering & Traceability with Adam Sandman 51:20
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הפעל מאוחר יותר הפעל מאוחר יותר רשימות לייק אהבתיWelcome to episode 23 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, Rich Jordan and Huw Price are joined by Adam Sandman, CEO & Founder of Inflectra. Together, they explore the continuous evolution of quality engineering, highlighting critical aspects like traceability, auditability, risk-based testing and regulatory compliance. The conversation stars with Adam Sandman tracing the evolution of Inflectra, which he founded to offer affordable quality assurance and test management solutions. Continuing on, Adam highlights how merely investing in cybersecurity solutions is insufficient, and only robust software development practices and thorough testing can prevent breaches. While, compliance and traceability can play key roles in verifying security measures and demonstrating adherence to regulators and stakeholders. Huw Price states that organisations should be mapping their entire software ecosystem, identifying critical failure points, and adopting best practices in software development and quality assurance in order to mitigate data breach risks. This kind of proactive approach should also involve regular audits and continuous monitoring to protect sensitive information. Rounding out the discussion, Huw, Rich and Adam discuss the challenges of system integrations and migrations, with Huw highlighting the importance of understanding legacy systems and maintaining integrity during transitions. Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!…
1 Episode 22: Holistic Approach to Quality 11:15
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הפעל מאוחר יותר הפעל מאוחר יותר רשימות לייק אהבתיWelcome to episode 22 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, the Curiosity team, Ben Riley, James Walker and Paul Wright, talk about the importance of decoding the software development life cycle and how to foster a holistic approach to quality. James Walker describes his approach to holistic quality, through the inner and outer loop concept. The inner loop encompasses developer activity, and the outer loop focuses on the essential organisational processes. This approach helps address root causes of inefficiencies rather than quick fixes. Quick fixes like automation can exacerbate issues if not coupled with a deep understanding of root causes. James Walker refers back to his well received LinkedIn blog post related to requirements not being good enough. The team also touches on why automation receives a bad rep, why it’s better to make early actions over reactive measures to shore up quality and to avoid silver bullet fixes. Referring to their training for a marathon, James and Ben talk about the need to overcome challenges and pain points, and liken this to success in software development. Assuring quality is not about speed just to look productive, but about laying the foundation for long-term success. Committing to the challenge in the software development journey is about aligning your core developer activity with essential organisations processes. Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!…
1 Episode 21: Testing & Community-Driven Quality with Mantas Dvareckas 11:37
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הפעל מאוחר יותר הפעל מאוחר יותר רשימות לייק אהבתיWelcome to episode 21 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, the Curiosity team, Ben Riley , Rich Jordan , and Mantas Dvareckas , discuss the value of different methods of testing, community-driven quality and continuous learning. Ben Riley starts the conversation on the “early access” model which many game developers have started to increasingly use, and how it can help improve the quality of software. Early access allows developers to gather feedback, identify issues early and reduce costly post-release fixes, by getting the end user in front of the product as early as possible. Mantas Dvareckas highlights how getting in front of your end user, gathering feedback, and providing software that they actually want, is key to success. As someone new to the software testing and quality space, Mantas shares some of his insights on how skills from other fields, like marketing, can be transferable. These transferable skills can bring fresh perspectives and innovative approaches to testing, enhancing the overall quality. The recommendation to new testers is to look for existing best practices and resources. This continuous learning helps testers stay updated with the latest techniques, improving their effectiveness. The conversation rounds out to discuss various methods of testing software, comparing the structured approaches in traditional industries with the more community-driven methods in gaming. Community-driven feedback ensures the software meets user expectations and improves satisfaction. Mantas mentions Tekken 8, and how he participated in their alpha and beta testing, which asked players worldwide to provide feedback by playing the game and filling in surveys on their experience, which helped refine the product and improve quality. The team concludes with encouragement for listeners to be curious and proactive in their testing approaches, while not forgetting to apply continuous development principles to our own learning. Oh, and is a muffin a cake? Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!…
1 Episode 20: Overcoming Test Quality Challenges with Tom Riglar 41:12
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הפעל מאוחר יותר הפעל מאוחר יותר רשימות לייק אהבתיWelcome to episode 20 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, Curiosity Software 's Rich Jordan and James Walker , are joined by Tom Riglar , Co-Founder & CEO at Moropo. Together, they discuss the quality, automation and artificial intelligence challenges enterprises are facing, and their potential solutions. To kick off the conversation, our guest, Tom Riglar, highlights one major pain point, the complexity of mobile app testing and automation. Tom and James share their frustrations with tools like Appium and UI Automation, which often lead to high complexity and frequent failures. To address this, they advocate for a more streamlined and user-friendly approach to mobile automation tools. Additionally, they stress the importance of having clear requirements, good test cases, and robust regression test packs. Rich Jordan points out another significant pain point is organizational resistance to change, with many teams reluctant to adopt new testing methodologies. The suggested solution involves fostering a culture that embraces change and emphasizes the importance of quality assurance from the start. This includes educating teams on the benefits of early quality activities, such as static code checking and snapshot testing, which can catch issues earlier in the development cycle. Our hosts also discuss the evolving role of developers, who are increasingly required to balance coding with quality assurance tasks. The proposed solution is to redefine the developers' role to focus more on orchestrating quality activities. This shift can be facilitated by hiring quality engineers who specialize in complex testing tasks, allowing developers to concentrate on delivering business value. Lastly, James highlights the impact of AI on software quality, with the fear that the focus on productivity might compromise standards. To mitigate this, James and Tom propose a balanced approach that incorporates AI tools without neglecting essential quality assurance, ensuring that software meets high standards of reliability and performance. Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!…
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