How To Build a High Converting Product Page

The Exit Five CMO Podcast (Hosted by Dave Gerhardt)

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#222: Website Teardown | Do your product pages actually tell potential customers what they need to know—or are they just a list of features they’ll ignore? In this session from the Ultimate Roast of B2B Websites, Madhav Bhandari, Head of Marketing at Storylane, joins Robert Kaminski, Co-Founder at Fletch PMM and Dan Murphy, COO at Exit Five to tear down real B2B product pages, exposing what works, what doesn’t, and how to fix it.

They also cover:

The biggest mistakes B2B marketers make on product pages (and how to fix them).
How to structure a product page that drives trials and conversions.
The role of interactive demos, videos, and CTAs in guiding prospects to the next step.

Timestamps

(00:00) - - Introduction to Madhav, Robert, and Dan
(02:22) - - Why most B2B product pages fail to convert
(03:57) - - The five biggest mistakes companies make on product pages
(06:34) - - The importance of clear messaging over a list of features
(08:52) - - Should you use videos, screenshots, or interactive demos?
(11:23) - - How to structure a product page that actually drives trials
(13:15) - - Breaking down the role of CTAs and conversion flow
(15:28) - - First product page teardown: What works and what doesn’t
(22:04) - - Product gifs vs. static images
(24:31) - - Second product page teardown: Fixing common UX mistakes
(27:49) - - When and where to use customer testimonials
(31:14) - - Why gating product demos might be hurting your conversions
(33:59) - - Third product page teardown: CTA placement and messaging
(36:29) - - The biggest takeaway from testing hundreds of product pages
(39:34) - - Quick wins to improve your product pages today
(42:41) - - Final takeaways

Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.com
Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter
Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/
Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership

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Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.

Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.

It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.

But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever.

That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.

Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.
Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.
Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.

And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.

See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.

***

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.
Visit hatch.fm to learn more

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How To Build a High Converting Product Page

The Exit Five CMO Podcast (Hosted by Dave Gerhardt)

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They also cover:

The biggest mistakes B2B marketers make on product pages (and how to fix them).
How to structure a product page that drives trials and conversions.
The role of interactive demos, videos, and CTAs in guiding prospects to the next step.

Timestamps

(00:00) - - Introduction to Madhav, Robert, and Dan
(02:22) - - Why most B2B product pages fail to convert
(03:57) - - The five biggest mistakes companies make on product pages
(06:34) - - The importance of clear messaging over a list of features
(08:52) - - Should you use videos, screenshots, or interactive demos?
(11:23) - - How to structure a product page that actually drives trials
(13:15) - - Breaking down the role of CTAs and conversion flow
(15:28) - - First product page teardown: What works and what doesn’t
(22:04) - - Product gifs vs. static images
(24:31) - - Second product page teardown: Fixing common UX mistakes
(27:49) - - When and where to use customer testimonials
(31:14) - - Why gating product demos might be hurting your conversions
(33:59) - - Third product page teardown: CTA placement and messaging
(36:29) - - The biggest takeaway from testing hundreds of product pages
(39:34) - - Quick wins to improve your product pages today
(42:41) - - Final takeaways

***

Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.

Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.

It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.

That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.

Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.
Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.
Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.

And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.

See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.

***

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.
Visit hatch.fm to learn more

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#253 Lifecycle Marketing | In this episode, we’re joined by two expert lifecycle marketers: Charlotte Hardin , Lifecycle Marketing Manager at Rebuy Engine, and Naomi West , Senior Product Manager at Customer.io . Charlotte and Naomi bring years of hands-on experience running email, onboarding, and retention programs inside B2B SaaS companies. They break down how B2B teams can use lifecycle marketing to drive more revenue, boost product engagement, and strengthen customer relationships, without needing a massive team. Charlotte and Naomi cover: How top B2B teams build high-performing welcome sequences, and why they’re constantly worth revisiting The role of experimentation and how to prioritize AB tests that deliver learnings (even with small audiences) Strategic ways to keep users engaged post-onboarding, including behavior-based triggers and surprise-and-delight moments Timestamps (00:00) - – Intro (02:38) - – Meet Charlotte and Naomi (04:23) - – How they define lifecycle marketing (06:08) - – What they’ve changed their minds about recently (09:18) - – Plain text vs. designed emails (11:08) - – Their frameworks for experimentation (13:38) - – How to test in low-volume environments (15:58) - – Common mistakes in A/B testing (17:08) - – What a day in lifecycle marketing looks like (19:18) - – How they (actually) use AI in their workflows (23:08) - – Building a reporting foundation for lifecycle (27:19) - – Naomi’s example of measuring aha moments (29:19) - – Quick definitions of lifecycle marketing (30:49) - – Tips for writing lifecycle campaigns that actually matter (31:19) - – Favorite lifecycle campaigns they’ve run (33:19) - – Why revamping welcome flows is always worth it (35:19) - - Frameworks they use for building new flows (38:19) - – What to do *after* onboarding ends (39:49) - – Using behavior-based triggers and milestones (41:49) - – Surprise and delight moments in B2B (43:19) - – Creating assets with a lean team (46:19) - – Systems and templates that save time (48:19) - – Navigating multi-year sales cycles with lifecycle content (51:19) - – Why benchmarks are often misleading (53:19) - – Final advice: audit often, talk to your team, and keep learning (55:19) - – Wrap-up and where to find Naomi and Charlotte Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.com Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/ Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership *** Today's episode is brought to you by Knak . Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time. It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience. But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks. Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak. Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first. Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak. And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time. See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five . Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five. *** Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more…

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#251 Website Optimization | In this episode, Danielle is joined by Guy Yalif , Chief Evangelist at Webflow; Talia Wolf , Founder and CEO of Getuplift; and Scott Cappuzzo , Web Strategist at Webflow. Together, they dig into what actually makes a B2B website convert and why most homepages are missing the mark. This panel brings deep experience in conversion rate optimization, UX strategy, and messaging clarity, sharing practical tips and live feedback from real B2B websites submitted by Exit Five members. Danielle, Guy, Talia, and Scott cover: The #1 mistake B2B marketers make on their homepage and how to fix it with customer-driven messaging Smart ways to test and optimize (even if you don’t have high traffic) How to write CTAs that meet buyers where they are in the journey (and get more clicks) Whether you’re planning a homepage redesign or just want to tighten your headline and CTA copy, this session will help you make smarter website decisions grounded in expert feedback and real examples. Timestamps (00:00) - – Intro (02:08) - – Meet the expert panel (04:48) - – The biggest homepage mistake (07:28) - – What customers *really* want (08:08) - – The CTA copy test (09:18) - – Why A/B testing isn’t always right (11:58) - – Personalization you can actually use (14:08) - – What’s a “good” conversion rate? (17:28) - – CTA clarity vs. creativity (21:08) - – Why messaging must come first (23:08) - – How to do helpful personalization (30:29) - – Emotional drivers in B2B (32:29) - – Live teardown #1: ContactMonkey (39:09) - – Visuals, CTAs, and clarity (44:29) - – Live teardown #2: StreamTech (49:49) - – Outdated visuals and lost messaging (53:24) - – Chatbots: thoughtful vs. disruptive (54:39) - – Live teardown #3: CallTrackingMetrics (57:19) - – Final ratings + wrap-up Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.com Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/ Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership *** Today's episode is brought to you by Knak . Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time. It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience. But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks. Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak. Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first. Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak. And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time. See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five . Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five. *** Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more…

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לפני 23 ימים54:18

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#250 Customer Insights | Matt sits down with Shoshana Kordova , a 3x founding product marketer and former journalist who now helps B2B tech startups craft customer-infused messaging through her consultancy, Peel Product Marketing. Shoshana recently launched a customer insights playbook for the PMM Jetpack, equipping marketers with tools and templates to run more effective customer interviews. Matt and Shoshana cover: Why a customer insights program is more than “just talking to customers” and how to turn interviews into a repeatable system that drives messaging, positioning, and case studies How to collaborate across teams (especially with CS and product) to get buy-in and avoid stepping on toes The most common mistakes B2B marketers make with interviews and how to get the kind of insights you can actually use Whether you're a product marketer, content strategist, or leading a GTM team, this episode is packed with actionable takeaways to build messaging that resonates. Timestamps (00:00) - – Intro (02:13) - – Meet Shoshana: From Journalism to Product Marketing (03:23) - – What Is “Customer-Infused Messaging”? (05:08) - – Why Customer Insights Beat Surface-Level Deliverables (07:08) - – How to Work with CS and Sales Without Stepping on Toes (10:08) - – Navigating Competing Priorities Across Teams (12:28) - – Selling the Value of Customer Interviews Internally (16:28) - – The 6 Steps to Building a Customer Insights Program (18:23) - – Step 1: Aligning Goals with Stakeholders (20:03) - – Step 2: Building a Customer Interview Pipeline (22:08) - – Step 3: Keeping Stakeholders in the Loop (Hint: Use Slack) (27:34) - – Step 4: How to Run a Great Customer Interview (33:04) - – Focus on Problems, Not Just the Product (35:39) - – Uncovering Real ROI with Better Follow-Ups (36:49) - – Step 5: Documenting What Actually Matters (39:09) - – How to Organize Insights into a Shared Database (41:59) - – Step 6: Putting Insights to Work (Case Studies, Messaging, ICPs) (44:19) - – Should You Hire an External Interviewer? (46:34) - – What’s a Realistic Interview Cadence? (48:04) - – Other Places to Find Customer Insights (When Interviews Aren’t Possible) (49:39) - – Final Tips: Mining G2 Reviews, Webinars, and Internal Teams (50:53) - – Wrap-Up and Where to Find Shoshana Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.com Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/ Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership *** Today's episode is brought to you by Knak . Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time. It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience. But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks. Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak. Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first. Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak. And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time. See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five . Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five. *** Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more…

The Exit Five CMO Podcast (Hosted by Dave Gerhardt)

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Cold Email: Lessons from Real Outbound Campaigns in 2025 50:19

לפני 26 ימים50:19

50:19

#249 Cold Email | In this episode, Danielle is joined by four experts in B2B outbound: Zoe Hartsfield (Apollo), Will Allred , (Lavender), Maximus Greenwald (Warmly), and Alex Fine (Understory). Together, they dive into the good, bad, and “please don’t ever send this” of cold email strategy. Each guest brings firsthand insight from scaling outbound at fast-growing B2B companies and helping clients do the same. Danielle and the crew cover: The biggest reasons cold emails flop and what great ones do differently How to use personalization, targeting, and timing to get replies (not unsubscribes) The right way to blend automation and human touch in your outbound strategy It’s an inside look at how marketers and founders approach outbound messaging, across strategy, execution, and scale. Timestamps (00:00) - — Intro and guest lineup (03:38) - — Why most cold emails fall flat (05:38) - — Common copy mistakes: too much “I,” not enough “you” (07:08) - — The automation vs. personalization debate (09:23) - — When *not* to send a cold email (11:38) - — What targeting gets wrong (and how to fix it) (13:38) - — Teardown #1: Robotics email with 0% replies (15:53) - — Subject line issues, tone, and CTA feedback (18:08) - — Teardown #2: CRM campaign with profanity (19:53) - — Why this email screams “marketing,” not “outbound” (23:19) - — Teardown #3: Direct debit email repurposed from a nurture (25:49) - — Why HTML-heavy emails kill deliverability (27:34) - — Teardown #4: Founder-led cold email from Breakout (29:49) - — What worked: relevance, format, and intent (32:19) - — Teardown #5: Cybersecurity email to bank execs (34:19) - — Final takeaways on relevance, timing, and strategy Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.com Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/ Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership *** Today's episode is brought to you by Knak . Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time. It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience. But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks. Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak. Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first. Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak. And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time. See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five . Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five. *** Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more…

The Exit Five CMO Podcast (Hosted by Dave Gerhardt)

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The Future of B2B Buying Experiences and the Role of AI in GTM with Jaleh Rezaei 38:08

לפני 30 ימים38:08

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#248 Marketing Strategy | Dave sits down with Jaleh Rezaei , founder and CEO of Mutiny , the personalization platform for B2B websites. Jaleh brings a unique blend of founder perspective and deep marketing expertise from her time building go-to-market teams at VMware, Gusto, and now Mutiny. She’s on a mission to help marketers ditch the spammy, scaled playbooks of the past and refocus on what really drives pipeline today: buyer experience. Dave and Jaleh cover: Why the current use of AI is making marketing worse and how to use it to build better buying experiences instead What marketers get wrong about speed (hint: it’s not about doing more, it’s about doing what matters) The principles of simplifying your go-to-market strategy to cut through noise and align your team around real revenue results Marketing is changing fast, but the teams who win will be the ones who prioritize real buyer experiences, move with speed, and stay aligned on what actually drives revenue. Jaleh breaks down how to make that shift before your strategy gets left behind. Timestamps (00:00) - – Intro (02:18) - – Why AI Is Backfiring in B2B (04:53) - – Outbound Is Broken (Here’s the Data) (07:13) - – What Buyers Actually Want (09:38) - – Gimmicks Don’t Scale (11:08) - – How to Build Marketing That Lasts (12:33) - – Why Marketing Is Harder Today (14:08) - – AI Efficiency vs. Buyer Experience (15:38) - – The Right Way to Prioritize Speed (18:34) - – Strategy First, Then Speed (20:24) - – How to Test Big Ideas Fast (22:39) - – Borrowing the YC Mindset (24:19) - – What Good Brand Marketing Looks Like (26:34) - – Best Brand Play: A Children’s Book? (28:19) - – What CEOs Really Want From Marketing (29:59) - – Simplifying Your Marketing Strategy (32:29) - – The Truth About Sales-Marketing Alignment (34:19) - – Common Execution Gaps That Hurt Revenue Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.com Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/ Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership *** Today's episode is brought to you by Knak . Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time. It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience. But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks. Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak. Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first. Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak. And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time. See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five . Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five. *** Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more…

The Exit Five CMO Podcast (Hosted by Dave Gerhardt)

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The Lead Nurture Email Playbook: What Works and What Doesn’t 59:23

לפני 5 weeks59:23

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#247 Lead Nurturing | In this episode, Danielle is joined by Samar Owais , founder of Emails Done Right; Sheri Otto , CEO of Growth Lane Strategies; and Sofia Silva , Marketing Manager at Reachdesk. These three email experts came together for a live roast of real B2B lead nurture emails, submitted by marketers from the Exit Five community. You’ll hear the good, the bad, and the fixable, with practical insights on how to improve your own nurture sequences. Danielle, Samar, Sheri, and Sofia cover: The most common lead nurture mistakes B2B marketers make (and how to fix them) Why every email should be treated as a conversation, not just a campaign How to write nurture emails that create connection, not clicks for clicks’ sake If you're building (or rebuilding) your nurture strategy, this one’s packed with real examples and expert feedback to guide your next send. Timestamps (00:00) - – Intro: Welcome to the Lead Nurture Roast (02:36) - – Meet the Experts: Samar, Sheri, and Sofia (06:33) - – What Is **Lead Nurturing, Really? (09:26) - – The Problem with “We” Language in Emails (11:48) - – The Biggest Mistakes B2B Marketers Make (14:13) - – Why AI Isn’t Your Copywriter (16:08) - – Teardown #1: Subject Line Gone Wrong (20:38) - – How to Build a Nurture Sequence Around a Whitepaper (23:18) - – CTA Overload and Why It Kills Clicks (28:23) - – Teardown #2: Great Open Rate, Low Engagement (32:17) - – The One-CTA Rule (And Why It Matters) (34:59) - – Structuring Long Emails for Skimmability (37:31) - – Teardown #3: Cold Lead, Wrong Email (40:04) - – Re-Engagement Emails That Actually Work (42:54) - – Use Social Proof Instead of Product Pitches (44:34) - – Teardown #4: The Overloaded Onboarding Email (47:29) - – What’s a “Micro Conversion” in SaaS Email? (52:04) - – Time-to-Value and the First Action That Matters (54:19) - – This Email Is... a Whole Sequence in One (56:39) - – Teardown #5: Trust Email or Generic Spam? (59:34) - – Why Specificity Beats Industry Buzzwords (01:01:49) - – Final Scores and Wrap-Up Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.com Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/ Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership *** Today's episode is brought to you by Knak . Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time. It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience. But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks. Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak. Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first. Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak. And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time. See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five . Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five. *** Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more…

The Exit Five CMO Podcast (Hosted by Dave Gerhardt)

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Fixing the Disconnect Between Marketing and Sales with Talya Heller 41:25

לפני 5 weeks41:25

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#246 Sales Alignment | Danielle welcomes Talya Heller , founder of Down to a T , a B2B consultancy helping marketers turn competitive positioning into high-impact sales assets. With experience in engineering, product management, and product marketing, Talya knows how to bridge the gap between what marketing builds and what sales actually uses. Together they unpack: Why most sales decks and battle cards go unused and what to build instead How to enable your champion to sell internally with confidence Simple frameworks for mapping competitive positioning that teams will actually use Talya also breaks down how she researches, builds, and delivers assets that align sales, marketing, and product, all rooted in buyer empathy. Timestamps (00:00) - – Intro & Talya’s background (02:08) - – From engineering to B2B marketing (08:53) - – What is buyer enablement? (11:08) - – Why deals stall after vendor selection (13:23) - – The problem with sales decks (15:53) - – Why battle cards don’t work (18:08) - – Talya’s competitive positioning map (24:19) - – Grouping competitors by approach (26:49) - – Market maps for sales (28:49) - – Where to get the best insights (31:19) - – New formats for enablement (33:34) - – Why context matters (35:19) - – Empathy for your sales team (37:04) - – Closing thoughts on empathy (38:09) - – Where to find Talya online Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.com Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/ Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership *** Today's episode is brought to you by Knak . Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time. It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience. But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks. Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak. Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first. Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak. And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time. See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five . Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five. *** Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more…

The Exit Five CMO Podcast (Hosted by Dave Gerhardt)

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B2B Outbound Best Practices: What’s Working Now with Cold Email and Paid Ads (with Alex Fine) 39:53

לפני 6 weeks39:53

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#245: Cold Email | Danielle Messler sits down with Alex Fine , co-founder of Understory , the agency behind some of the most effective outbound and paid strategies in B2B right now. Alex is leading the charge on a smarter approach to outbound called “Allbound”, a tightly integrated blend of outbound, paid media, and LinkedIn tactics that actually convert. If you’re tired of cold emails that go nowhere or ad campaigns that burn cash without ROI, this one’s for you. Danielle and Alex cover: Why most B2B outbound strategies fail and how Allbound fixes the disconnect between ads, email, and LinkedIn The cold email deliverability tactics that actually work in 2025 (including tools like Instantly, Smartlead, and Clay) Real-world examples of hyper-personalized, AI-powered outreach that book meetings with high-ACV prospects Timestamps (00:00) - – Intro (03:08) - – What Is “Allbound”? (05:08) - – Cold Email Isn’t Dead (But It’s Evolved) (07:38) - – Tools to Improve Deliverability (09:53) - – Personalization That Actually Works (11:23) - – Real Example: Fraud Detection SaaS Cold Email Strategy (13:08) - – How to Keep Messaging Consistent Across Channels (15:08) - – Treating Each Channel Differently (18:19) - – Ads as a “Cheat Code” in B2B (20:49) - – Building Genuinely Personalized Emails at Scale (23:49) - – From Swiffer to SaaS (27:19) - – What Sales Teaches Marketers (36:04) - – Where to Find Alex + Upcoming Exit Five Event Plug Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.com Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/ Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership *** Today's episode is brought to you by Knak . Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time. It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience. But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks. Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak. Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first. Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak. And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time. See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five . Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five. *** Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more…

The Exit Five CMO Podcast (Hosted by Dave Gerhardt)

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High-Pressure CMO Roles, Avoiding Burnout, and Growing your Personal Brand with Amanda Goetz 45:57

לפני 6 weeks45:57

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#244: Professional Growth | Dave is joined by Amanda Goetz , a 2x founder, 3x CMO, and the author behind the popular weekly newsletter, Life's A Game. Amanda shares her expertise in personal and professional growth, brand building, and content creation. Amanda and Dave cover: How Amanda transformed her LinkedIn strategy to grow her following and engagement The impact of personal branding on social media and its role in business growth Creating a feedback loop to refine and improve content strategy Timestamps (00:00) - - Intro (08:18) - - How to Use LinkedIn Video (11:46) - - Shifting from Twitter to LinkedIn (15:32) - - Developing a Clearer Target Market and Products (16:15) - - Building Sustainable Momentum Amid Burnout: A CMO's Perspective (20:36) - - Why Your Content Strategy Must Be Focused (27:17) - - The Brand Pyramid (28:12) - - The Emotion Behind Branding (31:42) - - People Are What Matter In Branding Success (37:20) - - The Growing Creator Economy vs. Traditional Corporations (38:38) - - Creating Emotional Brand Connections for Growth Marketing (43:10) - - How Amanda Became a Fractional CMO (45:44) - - Why Amanda Looks to Alex Lieberman for Inspiration Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.com Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/ Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership *** Today's episode is brought to you by Knak . Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time. It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience. But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks. Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak. Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first. Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak. And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time. See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five . Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five. *** Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more…

The Exit Five CMO Podcast (Hosted by Dave Gerhardt)

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B2B LinkedIn Ads Playbook: What Works (and What Doesn’t) in 2025 52:13

לפני 7 weeks52:13

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#243 Linkedin Ads | In this episode, Danielle Messler sits down with Anthony Blatner (LinkedIn ads expert and certified instructor) and Tagg Bozied (Head of Brand Awareness at Docebo and award-winning B2B campaign strategist) to dig into what actually works with B2B LinkedIn ads in 2025. These two have spent years in the trenches, building campaigns for some of the most niche, high-intent B2B audiences, and they’ve got the data and real stories to back up what works (and what definitely doesn’t). Danielle, Anthony, and Tagg cover: The biggest mistakes B2B marketers make on LinkedIn and how to fix them fast Why “thought leader ads” are crushing right now and how to set them up the right way (even if you’re not Dave Gerhardt) How to measure success in brand awareness campaigns (including smart ways to use dwell time, frequency, and Google Analytics) Timestamps (00:00) - – Intro from Dave (01:56) - – Why This Isn’t Just a “Webinar” (03:24) - – Meet the Experts: Tagg Bozied and Anthony Blatner (05:35) - – Biggest Mistakes in LinkedIn Ads (08:06) - – How to Make LinkedIn Ads Stand Out (10:18) - – What to Know About Thought Leader Ads (14:39) - – What Does Success Look Like? Metrics That Matter (17:36) - – What’s a CTV Ad and Should You Try It? (20:40) - – Budgeting Tips for Niche Audiences (26:54) - – LinkedIn Lead Forms vs. Landing Pages (32:52) - – Proving ROI on Brand Awareness Campaigns (38:53) - – Reporting Tools and Stack Recommendations (41:35) - – Targeting Secrets and Retargeting Best Practices (44:57) - – How to Think About A/B Testing on LinkedIn (48:55) - – Wrap-Up + Where to Connect Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.com Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/ Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership *** Today's episode is brought to you by Knak . Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time. It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience. But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks. Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak. Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first. Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak. And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time. See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five . Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five. *** Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more…

The Exit Five CMO Podcast (Hosted by Dave Gerhardt)

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The Quiet Shift: How B2B Teams are Winning Post-SEO 53:20

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#242: Content Strategy | In this episode, Danielle sits down with Brendan Hufford , founder of Growth Sprints , to talk about what actually works in content and SEO today and why most B2B strategies are broken. Brendan went from high school teacher to leading content at top SaaS companies, and now helps brands move faster and build content strategies that drive real impact. They cover: Why most SEO strategies are broken - and why retainers make it worse The content checklist that took ActiveCampaign from 200K to 240K visitors in 30 days Why the most lucrative SEO opportunities are hiding in plain sight Brendan’s "immortal newsletter" framework that cuts production time in half while doubling engagement Plus, check out the checklist Brendan mentioned in this episode here ! Timestamps (00:00) - – Intro to Brendan (04:53) - – Lessons from teaching that apply directly to marketing (07:53) - – Why Brendan left education and entered the B2B world (09:23) - – Early agency and in-house marketing experience (11:08) - – Building a defensible career: audience, trust, and network (13:28) - – The Growth Sprints model: why retainers don’t make sense (14:38) - – Content strategy in bets, not buckets (15:53) - – Why SEO still works and where it actually drives results (17:23) - – Getting deep on audience, product, and internal dynamics (19:38) - – What marketers get wrong about internal buy-in (21:38) - – Real example: what a content sprint looks like in practice (23:08) - – The power of internal linking and content refreshes (26:19) - – How Google views internal linking and user signals (29:19) - – Why technical SEO is often overrated (32:19) - – Brendan’s hot take: most SEOs aren’t marketers (33:49) - – Why the “SEO takes 6 months” narrative is flawed (35:49) - – The problem with traditional retainers and content brief models (37:19) - – The immortal newsletter: how to mix evergreen + ephemeral content (40:19) - – Naming the problem, not just the category (41:49) - – Content should do 3–5 jobs at once: how to prioritize impact (44:19) - – The real value of competitor and alternatives pages (46:49) - – How to make content more useful for sales and buyer enablement (48:19) - – Brendan’s final mindset shift: create content that earns its keep Send guest pitches and ideas to hi@exitfive.com Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/ Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership *** Today's episode is brought to you by Knak . Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time. It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience. But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks. Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak. Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first. Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak. And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time. See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five . Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five. *** Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast. Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest. Visit hatch.fm to learn more…

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