A Conversation With The Three CDC Leaders Who Resigned In Protest & MAHA Supporters

Why Should I Trust You?

Americans today are engaging in a great Rorschach Test over public health–and its results may determine our future.

Are radical changes at the CDC and beyond moving us in the right direction for a healthier nation, or dangerously backwards?

Are we undoing the very system that has protected us for decades (from infectious disease)? Or upending a system that has made us sicker (chronic disease epidemic)?

Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) has succeeded in putting that question front and center. The movement encourages us to research for ourselves and make health decisions based on our unique family's needs. The days of lining up and getting your shot, no questions asked, are done. The days of trusting the experts appear to be winding down, too.

That theme became clear in our conversation with the CDC leaders who recently resigned in protest. They tendered their resignations in defiance over RFK Jr.’s management of the agency, including the the firing of his handpicked director Dr Susan Monarez.

It was a fascinating conversation, where we explored the role of the CDC, the Covid response, vaccine mandates, and the role of government in general.

Hosts:

Brinda Adhikari

Tom Johnson

Maggie Bartlett

Dr. Mark Abdelmalek

Guests:

Dr. Demetre Daskalakis, former director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at CDC

Dr. Debra Houry , the CDC's former Chief Science and Medical Officer

Dr. Dan Jernigan, former Director of the National Center for Emerging and Zoonotic Infectious Diseases at CDC

Elizabeth Frost, MAHA Ohio, ran Kennedy grassroots in Ohio

Aaron Everitt, video essayist, substack Besides the Revolution, frequent contributor to House InHabit

Tracy Hollister, former Deputy Elector Director for Kennedy campaign, public policy researcher, MAHA advocate

Travis Tripodi, consultant in the health technology industry; libertarian; MAHA and Kennedy supporter

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1. A Conversation With The Three CDC Leaders Who Resigned In Protest & MAHA Supporters (00:00:00)

2. Intro and Headlines: Former CDC Leaders Meet with MAHA Supporters (00:00:30)

3. Quick Background: What Just Happened at the CDC? (00:02:36)

4. Introducing Who Took Part In This Conversation (00:12:15)

5. Demetre Daskalakis (00:15:33)

6. Tracy Hollister (00:16:10)

7. Deb Houry (00:17:16)

8. Demetre Regarding Kennedy (00:19:07)

9. Aaron Everitt (00:21:20)

10. Travis Tripodi (00:25:02)

11. Dan Jernigan (00:28:12)

12. Tracy On Susan Monarez, Vaccines (00:31:51)

13. Demetre On How Vaccines Are Being Discussed (00:34:45)

14. Corporate Influence on CDC (00:37:28)

15. Demetre (00:37:33)

16. Tracy (00:39:45)

17. Deb On CDC Disclosures (00:40:56)

18. Dan On Sec Kennedy and Data (00:45:49)

19. Elizabeth Frost (00:47:57)

20. Tom: Do You Trust The CDC? (00:50:15)

21. Travis (00:50:20)

22. Demetre: CDC on Risk Messaging On Covid (00:56:01)

23. Travis Responds (00:59:36)

24. Aaron and Demetre On Payment (01:05:17)

25. Deb: On Why She Resigned (01:10:15)

26. Demetre Follow Up (01:13:15)

27. Mark On Who Else At CDC Was Analyzing Vaccine Data? (01:14:08)

28. Travis on Trust and CDC (01:18:25)

29. Brinda: Is What Kennedy is Doing What You Voted For? (01:20:17)

30. Aaron Responds (01:20:54)

31. Dan: What Process Would Be Better? (01:23:56)

32. Elizabeth on MAHA and Pressures (01:26:48)

33. Elizabeth on Medical Freedom and Vaccines (01:30:05)

34. Demetre on Mandates (01:37:26)

35. Mark on The Importance of Collective Responsibility (01:40:20)

36. Tracy on Medical Freedom (01:42:01)

37. Dan on Data and Vaccine Safety (01:46:26)

38. Travis: What Is a Better Process? (01:48:43)

39. Aaron: This All Feels Too Big (01:54:27)

40. Deb: The Cuts and The Future (01:57:57)

41. Thank you for joining us! (01:59:05)