ShanghaiZhan is a raw, lively, and regular debate about China tech, advertising, creativity & the intersection of it all. Join hosts Ali Kazmi and Bryce Whitwam, for timely discussions on all things China marketing, coming to you directly from Shanghai!
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The Gen Z Agency Talent Paradox with Shane McEwen
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41:50Research from NYU Stern professor Suzy Welch shows that only 2% of Generation Z possess the core values that hiring managers value most: achievement, learning, and an "unbridled desire to work." Instead, Gen Z emphasizes self-care, authentic self-expression, and helping others—a values mismatch that Welch suggests could "reshape the future of work.…
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Beyond the Holding Company: Thriving in the Ad Talent Shake-Up with Jean-Michel Wu
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43:03The advertising industry's talent crisis isn't coming—it's here. As AI automates junior roles, consolidation eliminates mid-level positions, and holding companies restructure at unprecedented speed, professionals at every level are asking: what's next? We're joined by Jean-Michel Wu, a two-decade talent expert who has held leadership roles at creat…
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Rising from the Ashes: the Advertising Agency Model for the Future: Jacco ter Schegget
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38:47What would a new model agency look like today if we were going to build it from the ground up? There's been a lot of news about the decline of the agency network model. In a landscape defined by AI disruption, platform dominance and the collapse of legacy holding structures, agencies are being forced to reinvent themselves - fast. We are honored to…
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The Changing Influencer Marketing Landscape + the Rise of Influencer Brands-Majid Bahi
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49:40In the influencer economy, it has become increasingly common for influencers to go beyond promoting other brands and create their own. There are several challenges. Product quality could backfire; the product itself may not be the right fit. Given the risks of product sales and influencer reputation, are influencer brands worth the investment? We a…
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China's Digital Marketing Revolution: From Foreign Brands to Guo Chao: Bryce Whitwam
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46:50Special treat this week! We're sharing an interview Bryce made with Wenchi Yu on Perspectives. Subscribe to Perspectives: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perspectives-with-wenchi-yu/id1793854395 Bryce on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brycewhitwam/ Wenchi Yu on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wenchi-yu-5099b04/ "Selling to China"…
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Opening the Mailbox: Chinese Innovation, Chinese Dating Apps, Learning Chinese & Labubu
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38:34We bring back ShanghaiMailbox! Thanks for your questions. Here are the questions you submitted that Ali and I answered on today's podcast. Enjoy! 1. If you had your own money, what’s one Chinese startup or trend you’d invest in right now that most foreigners have never heard of? 2. Learning Mandarin used to be the rage, but now it’s less popular. W…
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The Uncertain Future of the Agency Holdco Model with Mark Heap
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55:58Has agency consolidation begun to backfire? The media agency is undergoing a massive transformation as holding companies consolidate their operations & rebrand around unified entities. What does this seismic shift mean for the future of the industry? Will the industry's current path lead to better outcomes or just more cost-cutting? Is this the ind…
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Being an Innovative Leader in Today's New Reality with Nishtha Mehta
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50:03China's business landscape in 2025 is unforgiving—consumer spending is down, competition is fiercer than ever, and companies face a brutal reality: adapt or die. The old playbooks aren't working, traditional marketing approaches are falling flat, and while everyone knows they need to change, most don't know what to do or how to do it. In this envir…
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The Dark Side of the China Media Business
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48:57Today's episode delves into a facet of the China media business that everyone is aware of, but few are willing to discuss. Media corruption was so prevalent in the early days of the digital industry in 2010 that it became a competitive advantage for some companies. We all knew that it was big, but how big? We discovered this later, following the ne…
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AI as Co-Creator: Redefining the Marketing Process with Pierre Berard
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53:05How will AI impact marketing teams, agencies, and processes? While 85% of marketers report using AI tools, they struggle to integrate AI into the workplace. How can you make work? We’re joined by Pierre Berard, former China hand and a senior marketing executive who’s led some of the world’s top luxury and consumer brands and is now the founder of a…
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Decoding Brand China Using Semiotics: Panos Dimitropoulos
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56:07How can brands visually connect with Chinese consumers? What cultural codes effectively resonate with consumers, leading to trial and purchase? Today, we speak with Panos Dimitropoulos, a seasoned semiotician and cultural strategy expert. Panos helps brands connect culturally in China. He spent over a decade in China, leading Kantar's cultural inte…
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Tapping into China's Wellness Revolution: Strategic Opportunities for Brands with Henry Shen
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47:58China has become a country obsessed with wellness. Over the past few episodes, we have had several guests highlight the growing importance of wellness, whether it relates to fitness or changes in the country's demographics. We thought we'd take the opportunity to take a deeper look at wellness. According to a McKinsey study, 87% of Chinese consumer…
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The Rise of Female Automobile Power in China: Grey/AKQA's Janice Kok & Reiko Wu
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49:28Over the past decade, women in China have become a driving force (pun intended) in car purchases, from compact EVs to high-end luxury vehicles. But how are brands adapting their marketing to meet the needs of female consumers? What trends are shaping their buying decisions? To help us unpack this, we’re joined by Janice Kok, Head of Strategy, and R…
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China's Retail Revolution: How SHEIN, Temu, and TikTok are Reshaping Global Commerce - Ed Sander
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53:504 out of the top 8 Apps on the US Apple Store come from China. Many are shopping platforms such as SHEIN, Temu and TikTok Shop. These platforms have strong algorithms, massive supply chain networks, and seemingly bottomless investment pockets. Is the West slowly becoming addicted to Chinese-style online shopping? We talked to Ed Sander, who is the …
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Opening the Mailbox: Branding, Retail, Livestreaming, Media & More: Stephen Drummond
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43:37It's time to open our listener mail! We solicited questions on LinkedIn and WeChat and are ready to answer your questions about China marketing and advertising. We're joined with China's leading brand strategist consultant, Stephen Drummond. Steve is an industry legend who has worked for agencies and clients. He's now a freelance brand consultant, …
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A China Slowdown: From Patience to Profit with Alex Duncan
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52:39We challenge the narrative surrounding China's economic slowdown to reveal an unexpected truth: today's market conditions might be ideal for patient brand builders. Alex Duncan, marketing consultant, former co-founder of a Chinese social media platform and a 15-year China veteran, shares fresh insights from his recent return to Shanghai, making a c…
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The Big China Market Correction of 2025: Trend Spotting with Chris Baker & Minnie Wang
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45:16In this report, it's called the 20/80 rule. Are we going to see a lot of brands exiting the Chinese market, or are there still opportunities? We're back for round #2, covering Totem Media's 2025 Marketing & Media Trends. Today, we talk about the 25 considerations, although we go through all of them, just the key ones. We're honored to have Totem Me…
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The Decline of TikTok, the Rise of Rednote, and End of App Loyalty - With Olivia Plotnick
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49:36Word on the street that Chinese app Xiaohongshu or Rednote, as it is now called, was not expecting nor prepared for the 500K and counting American TikTok Refugees that have downloaded and migrated to the app. Is Rednote a short-lived thing? Will people eventually move back to TikTok, or has the West entered the world of "App Fluidity," where commun…
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The 2025 China Brand Equity & ROI Paradox - Totem's Chris Baker & OMD's Ahle Kuang
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55:23Welcome to Season 4! Today, we're also celebrating the 10th anniversary of the 2025 Totem China's Marketing & Media Trends Report. We hope to solve the biggest challenge in China marketing: is performance marketing, and are brands nowadays just focused on short-term sales gains? According to Totem's report, 48% of marketers plan to decrease their 2…
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Social Media Intelligence vs. Traditional Research: Target Social's Wang Tao on the Future of Consumer Insights
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51:15How has consumer research evolved since the advent of social media? Can social media drive insights, or do we still need interviews and focus groups? We speak with Wang Tao, who is the Head of Strategy & Innovation for the Shanghai-based agency Target Social 仟传网络. Target Social is China's largest full-service social performance consultancy, providi…
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Spring Festival to Singles Day: Festivals in Modern China Marketing: Hope Hong
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37:02Are traditional festivals still essential drivers in the Chinese marketing calendar? Or are they overshadowing the modern shopping days that seemingly overpower attention? We welcome Hope Hong, founder of Chuanmer, a non-profit organization specializing in cross-cultural marketing consulting, experience planning, curation, and promotion. Hope is ba…
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From Mass Appeal to Micro Moments: The Future of China Livestream E-Commerce
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58:13We're thrilled to re-broadcast an insightful episode from the Sinica Podcast, where host Kaiser Kuo sits down with Bryce Whitwam to delve into the ever-evolving world of Chinese livestream e-commerce. Bryce's latest research highlights a fascinating shift: Chinese consumers increasingly gravitate toward smaller, more personalized livestream shows t…
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Time for Brands to Do a Discount Detox? With Jacques Roizen
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41:00We’re unpacking a critical issue affecting luxury and prestige brands operating in China’s discount-heavy e-commerce landscape. With platforms like Tmall and JD and emerging competitors like Douyin and Pinduoduo, brands are constantly pressured to use aggressive discounting strategies to boost sales and visibility. Jacques Roizen, managing director…
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Targeting Outbound Chinese Travelers with Subramania Bhatt and Mark Shrives
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51:42Chinese outbound travel is returning, which is great news for luxury brands. To many brands, overseas travel has always been a source of awareness, validation and purchase. How can brands take advantage of this opportunity? We speak to Subramania Bhatt, CEO of the China Trading Desk, a digital marketing and research firm targeting these travelers. …
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Chinese Women in Tech with Dr. Susan Zhang
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39:57What are China's technology opportunities for Chinese women? Are Chinese companies becoming more gender diverse, or are coveted STEM careers still largely avoided by Chinese women? We asked Dr. Susan Zhang about the state of Chinese women in tech. Dr. Zhang is a high-energy business executive and serial entrepreneur. Her journey has taken her to in…
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China CRM Redefined: Navigating Clienteling with Aurelien Rigart
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1:03:45Welcome to the world of Clienteling: it's a world where the brand manages the client relationship. It's an online/offline integration ecosystem that is alive in China, but the West has no equivalent. In the clienteling world, retail sales become online sales associates, and brands promote their products directly to the customer database, all possib…
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The Post-Olympics Show: Opportunities for Chinese Brands
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30:35What opportunities exist for Chinese brands post-Olympics? In this world of micro-targeting and community building, smaller brands can take advantage of sponsoring Chinese athletes who may not be as expensive as sports celebrities like Eileen Gu. Did the Paris Olympics help break China's overseas travel slump? Ali and Bryce take a China marketing t…
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The China Outbound Education Industry & the Impact of AI: Jimmy Lim
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43:01In 2023, over 1 million Chinese students went abroad to study, and this number is increasing as the job market sours back home. Today, we speak with Sydney-based Jimmy Lim, co-founder and Managing Director of AIG Education Group, about the Chinese overseas education phenomenon and why it shows no signs of slowing down. AI will come into play in the…
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China Livestream Commerce 2.0: This Next Evolution Will Go Global
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35:51What's the new evolution of Chinese e-commerce, and why will it impact how Westerners shop? Ali and Bryce discuss China's new livestream e-commerce transformation. It has evolved from the days of the big livestreamers to hundreds of thousands of mini-livestreamers competing for attention with only several hundred viewers. This evolution is happenin…
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Working for a Local Agency or Brand- China PR Expert: Harriet Gaywood
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52:15Have you ever considered working for a local Chinese company? We thought we would ask 20-plus-year PR expert, ultra-marathon runner, and ethnic musicologist Harriet Gaywood, who previously worked at Chinese firm Blue Focus and recently was the VP of Public Relations at Huawei. How is it different from working at a foreign firm? What are the challen…
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Navigating Chinese Beauty Slang for Growing Niche Brands: Red Ant's Elisa Harca & Ching Xie
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53:28Episode 60! Yeah! To talk to beauty consumers on social media, beauty brands have to be adept at Chinese social media beauty slang. What's the difference between the #Boiled Water Look (白开水妆容) and #Rich Daughter Makeup (富家千金妆) )? Elisa Harca, Co-Founder and Asia CEO of Red Ant, and Ching Xie, Client Partner at Red Ant Asia, join us in unpacking the…
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Idea to Launch & Beyond: Introducing "The Map" of Shenzhen: Henk Werner
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56:36How do you bring a product idea to life in the area of the world that produces over 80% of the world's electronic consumer products? Meet Troublemakers' founder, Henk Werner. He's lived in Shenzhen for almost 12 years and guides many worldwide who might have a cool product idea but don't know how to make it a reality. Henk serves as their guide to …
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The 2024 Beijing Autoshow: an Auto Industry Wake-up Call, with Bill Russo
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56:03According to this week's guest, automobile industry expert Bill Russo, this year's Autoshow China, held in Beijing, was a wake-up call to the global automobile industry. China has clearly leapfrogged the global auto industry, making products that aren't just transportation vehicles but literally smartphones on wheels. According to Russo, the global…
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The Temu + Shein Chinese E-commerce Invasion
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45:40Welcome to the latest invasion; it's not TikTok but Shein & Temu! It's hard to imagine that 4 of the top 8 U.S. iPhone App Store apps are from China. While TikTok and Capcut make the list, the two big surprises are e-commerce juggernauts Temu and Shein. These companies operate unique, manufacturer-to-customer business models and do not manufacture …
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China's 10 Considerations for Marketers in 2024: Chris Baker & Minnie Wang
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54:26How can brands take advantage of China's new transformation? We decided to invite our livestream episode guests, Chris Baker, founder of Totem, and Minne Wang, Senior Reporter with Campaign Asia, for an in-depth discussion on 5 of the 10 considerations in Totem Media's 2024 report. The report (with links below) is a must-read for anyone looking to …
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Made Better by China: Authors, Bessie Lee & Peter Bomer
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52:20Ali and Bryce welcome authors Bessie Lee and Peter Bomer of the book, "China Inside Out," which explores themes of innovation, entrepreneurship, and challenges through interviews with some of China's leading business minds. The interviews were taken from Bessie's popular podcast, Bei Wang Lu(贝望录). Bei Wang Lu showcases the thoughts and actions of l…
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Livestream Recap Episode: 2024 China at the Crossroads: What Stood Out to Us
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33:41Where is China heading in 2024? Ali and Bryce decided to do a quick recap of our livestream event last week to highlight a couple of the major trends that stood out for us. You can watch the livestream event by clicking below OR download the entire report yourself. Check out the link below. 1. What surprised you? How will advertisers react based on…
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Ad Fraud: How Bad is it? With FouAnalytics Founder, Dr. Augustine Fou
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49:13China ad fraud has been in the headlines recently, and we wanted to have a show about it. As expected, getting someone on the show to discuss this sensitive topic has been impossible. But we finally found one: Dr. Augustine Fou. He is the Founder of Fou Analytics and a leading expert in the field, boasting a profound understanding of digital market…
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The Best of the Best 2024 China Marketing Trends Show
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31:01What are the big marketing, advertising, and technology trends facing China in 2024? Ali and Bryce scoured the internet so you don't have to, uncovering 3 trends we think everyone should be paying attention to. What are the "meh" trends - the ones we have seen before, ones without context or thought, or ones simply that won't happen at all? We call…
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Future Proofing the China Agency: Mindshare China's CEO: Ben Condit
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51:41Will AI become a hindrance or a revolution to Chinese media? Mindshare China CEO Ben Condit says bring it on! Condit sees AI as the answer to much of the overcomplexity in China's tech platforms, some of which require over 11 stops to book a single piece of media. Ben gives us an insider perspective of why Mindshare China is constantly recognized a…
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Performance Marketing China: The End of Advertising as We Know It?
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34:02Has performance marketing signaled the end of traditional marketing in China? Traditional marketing focuses more on slowly building brand awareness, creating a slow burn, and driving an emotional connection with consumers. On the other hand, performance marketing is more about results in the quest to drive sales and leads. Thanks to digital platfor…
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The China Entrepreneur Show: Jing-A Beer & the Making of a Local Brand
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55:31What does starting a successful brand from ZERO in the Middle Kingdom take? We spoke to Alex Acker and Kristian Li, co-founders of Jing A Beer. Based in Beijing, Jing-A now has ten tap rooms in the capital, with one in Shenzhen. Jing-A is also available in Singapore. Jing-A describes itself as a brewery that is in constant motion. Started by Kris a…
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Will Livestream Commerce Become a Hit Outside China? Agree or Disagree?
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29:24Welcome to Season 3 of ShanghaiZhan! We thought for this season, we would try something a bit different. In addition to our popular interviews, Ali and I will cover pressing issues ourselves in a series called Agree or Disagree. Will live stream commerce become a hit outside of China? Livestreaming is projected to hit $65 billion in the U.S., repre…
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Chinese Design & the Making of a Multinational Brand: Danny Du
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47:40This episode focuses on the elements behind Chinese design, its unique characteristics, and how it's shaping global design ethos. Please welcome Danny Du, whose work in Shanghai, particularly with the Geely Design Global and now at BASF's Creation Center as APAC design lead, has marked him as a leader, bringing Chinese design aesthetics to the worl…
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Charting China's Hotel & Travel Industry's Post-Pandemic Course
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58:26We're talking about the Chinese hotel and travel industry today and are joined by Hugh Xu, a veteran in the travel and hospitality sectors with over 20 years of experience. Hugh has held critical roles in several Fortune 500 companies. Most recently, he served as the General Manager of Sales & Marketing at Sunmei Hotel Group, overseeing over 500 pr…
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Managing Businesses & Talent in Low Growth China - Mark Wang of Grace Blue
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41:45For 20 years, China was about speed and scale, but it seems now that era has ended for many agencies and companies. Sales are dropping; budgets are being cut. Project pitching is now a weekly thing for many agencies as brands focus solely on performance marketing. How should China businesses adjust for times that may not go as quickly as before? Th…
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Shanghai Ning in NYC: Estee Lauder's Gary Chu & Mark Jiang
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55:41Ali and Bryce were expats in Shanghai; what's it like for two Chinese senior global marketing executives working and living in New York? Today's podcast interviews Gary Chu and Mark Jiang from the Estee Lauder Companies, based in New York. ELC includes brands such as Estee Lauder, Clinique, MAC, La Mer, and Tom Ford Beauty. Gary was VP for the Onli…
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Rocking China with Dr. Andrew Field
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54:02We're talking rock and roll with Dr. Andrew Field, Associate Professor of Chinese History at Duke Kunshan University. Andrew is the recent author of "Rocking China", a book that traces the rise and spread of indie rock from the rock capital of Beijing to Shanghai and other places in China. Through interviews with key players, Dr. Field explores the…
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China Transforming Digital: Insights from Wiredcraft's CEO, Ronan Berder
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54:22What does it take for brands in China to transform their businesses to be digital-ready? We asked Wiredcraft CEO and Co-founder Ronan Berder to provide his insights into what companies need to evolve their businesses. Ronan has been instrumental in driving digital innovation and transformation for such brands as Starbucks, Nike, and Hilton and prov…
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Unmasking China's Underrepresentation at Cannes: A Missed Opportunity?
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47:07Why was China almost a no-show at the Cannes Lions Festival of Creativity this year? Is it the quality of the work, or is it because China is no longer interested in participating on the global stage? We talk to 2 people who have just returned from Cannes Lions, and they give us their unique perspectives. Today's guests are Robert Sawatzky, Asia Ed…
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