Signal's Post-Quantum PQXDH, Same-Origin Policy, E2EE in the Browser Revisted

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We're back! Signal rolled out a protocol change to be post-quantum resilient! Someone was caught intercepting Jabber TLS via certificate transparency! Was the same-origin policy in web browers just a dirty hack all along? Plus secure message format formalisms, and even more beating of the dead horse that is E2EE in the browser.
Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/11/07/PQXDH-etc
Links:
- https://zfnd.org/so-you-want-to-build-an-end-to-end-encrypted-web-app/
- https://github.com/superfly/macaroon
- https://cryspen.com/post/pqxdh/
- https://eprint.iacr.org/2023/1390.pdf

"Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)

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1. Issues With Encrypted Jabber Communications (00:00:00)

2. App and Web Security Challenges (00:13:53)

3. Benefits and Limitations of Web Encryption (00:22:26)

4. Benefits and Challenges of Browser-Based Cryptography (00:29:54)

5. Web App Security and Distribution Models (00:35:09)

6. Web Security and Signal Key Exchange (00:48:36)

7. X3DH Protocol and Signal's Key Exchange (00:53:49)

8. Camry Encapsulation Attack and Secure Encryption (01:08:11)

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Signal's Post-Quantum PQXDH, Same-Origin Policy, E2EE in the Browser Revisted

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"Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)

פרקים

1. Issues With Encrypted Jabber Communications (00:00:00)

2. App and Web Security Challenges (00:13:53)

3. Benefits and Limitations of Web Encryption (00:22:26)

4. Benefits and Challenges of Browser-Based Cryptography (00:29:54)

5. Web App Security and Distribution Models (00:35:09)

6. Web Security and Signal Key Exchange (00:48:36)

7. X3DH Protocol and Signal's Key Exchange (00:53:49)

8. Camry Encapsulation Attack and Secure Encryption (01:08:11)

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Apple iMessage is getting a big upgrade! Not only are they rolling out ratcheting, but they’re going post-quantum, AND they’re doing post-quantum ratcheting! Douglas Stebila joined us to talk about his security analysis of the new PQ3 protocol update and not indulge our wild Apple speculations: Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2024/03/03/post-quantum-imessage-with-douglas-stebila/ Links: - https://security.apple.com/blog/imessage-pq3/ - Security analysis of the iMessage PQ3 protocol https://security.apple.com/assets/files/A_Formal_Analysis_of_the_iMessage_PQ3_Messaging_Protocol_Basin_et_al.pdf - Ratcheting design: https://eprint.iacr.org/2024/220.pdf - When Messages are Keys: Is HMAC a dual-PRF?: https://eprint.iacr.org/2023/861.pdf - Real World Deniability in Messaging: https://eprint.iacr.org/2023/403.pdf - Padmé: https://www.petsymposium.org/2019/files/papers/issue4/popets-2019-0056.pdf - Max Headroom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYdpOjletnc - Extended Canetti-Krawczyk model: https://iacr.org/archive/eurocrypt2001/20450451.pdf - Douglas Stebila: https://www.douglas.stebila.ca/ "Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)…

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High-assurance Post-Quantum Crypto with Franziskus Kiefer and Karthik Bhargavan 56:13

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We welcome Franziskus and Karthik from Cryspen to discuss their new high-assurance implementation of ML-KEM (the final form of Kyber), discussing how formal methods can both help provide correctness guarantees, security assurances, and performance wins for your crypto code! Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2024/01/29/high-assurance-kyber/ Links: - https://cryspen.com/post/ml-kem-implementation/ - https://github.com/cryspen/libcrux/ - https://github.com/formosa-crypto/libjade - https://cryspen.com/post/pqxdh/ - https://eprint.iacr.org/2023/1933.pdf - Franziskus Kiefer: https://franziskuskiefer.de/ - Karthik Bhargavan: https://bhargavan.info/ "Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)…

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Encrypting Facebook Messenger with Jon Millican and Timothy Buck 59:35

לפני 1 year59:35

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Facebook Messenger has finally been end-to-end encrypted, a couple of years after Mark Zuckerberg announced it! Plus Instagram DMs are trialing ephemeral E2EE DMs too! We invited on Jon Millican and Timothy Buck from Meta to discuss this major cross-platform endeavor, and how David Bowie fits into their personal Labyrinth. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/12/28/e2ee-fb-messenger/ Links: - https://www.facebook.com/notes/2420600258234172 - https://eprint.iacr.org/2022/1044.pdf - https://engineering.fb.com/2023/12/06/security/building-end-to-end-security-for-messenger/ - https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/6/23991501/facebook-messenger-default-end-to-end-encryption-meta - https://www.threads.net/@jonmillican/post/C0kQPAyoFpr - https://engineering.fb.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/MessengerEnd-to-EndEncryptionOverview_12-6-2023.pdf - https://engineering.fb.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/TheLabyrinthEncryptedMessageStorageProtocol_12-6-2023.pdf - https://engineering.fb.com/2022/03/10/security/code-verify/ - https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/code-verify/llohflklppcaghdpehpbklhlfebooeog "Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)…

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Attacking Lattice-based Cryptography with Martin Albrecht 57:20

לפני 2 years57:20

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Returning champion Martin Albrecht joins us to help explain how we measure the security of lattice-based cryptosystems like Kyber and Dilithium against attackers. QRAM, BKZ, LLL, oh my! Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/11/13/lattice-attacks/ Links: - https://pq-crystals.org/kyber/index.shtml - https://pq-crystals.org/dilithium/index.shtml - https://eprint.iacr.org/2019/930.pdf - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_integer_solution_problem - Frodo: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/659 - https://csrc.nist.gov/CSRC/media/Events/third-pqc-standardization-conference/documents/accepted-papers/ribeiro-saber-pq-key-pqc2021.pdf - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermite_normal_form - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner%E2%80%93Fischer_algorithm - https://www.math.auckland.ac.nz/~sgal018/crypto-book/ch18.pdf - https://eprint.iacr.org/2019/1161 - QRAM: https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.10310 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenstra%E2%80%93Lenstra%E2%80%93Lov%C3%A1sz_lattice_basis_reduction_algorithm - MATZOV improved dual lattice attack: https://zenodo.org/records/6412487 - https://eprint.iacr.org/2008/504.pdf - https://eprint.iacr.org/2023/302.pdf "Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)…

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Signal's Post-Quantum PQXDH, Same-Origin Policy, E2EE in the Browser Revisted 1:19:05

לפני 2 years1:19:05

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We're back! Signal rolled out a protocol change to be post-quantum resilient! Someone was caught intercepting Jabber TLS via certificate transparency! Was the same-origin policy in web browers just a dirty hack all along? Plus secure message format formalisms, and even more beating of the dead horse that is E2EE in the browser. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/11/07/PQXDH-etc Links: - https://zfnd.org/so-you-want-to-build-an-end-to-end-encrypted-web-app/ - https://github.com/superfly/macaroon - https://cryspen.com/post/pqxdh/ - https://eprint.iacr.org/2023/1390.pdf "Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)…

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'Jerry Solinas deserves a raise' with Steve Weis 57:31

לפני 2 years57:31

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We explore how the NIST curve parameter seeds were generated, as best we can, with returning champion Steve Weis! “At the point where we find an intelligible English string that generates the NIST P-curve seeds, nobody serious is going to take the seed provenance concerns seriously anymore.” Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/10/12/the-nist-curves Links: - Steve’s post: https://saweis.net/posts/nist-curve-seed-origins.html - ANSI X9.62 ECDSA: https://safecurves.cr.yp.to/grouper.ieee.org/groups/1363/private/x9-62-09-20-98.pdf / FIPS 186-2 https://csrc.nist.gov/files/pubs/fips/186-2/final/docs/fips186-2.pdf - “A RIDDLE WRAPPED IN AN ENIGMA”: https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1018.pdf - https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/01/nsa-official-support-of-backdoored-dual_ec_drbg-was-regrettable/ - https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/origin-of-fips-186-4-elliptic-curves-over-prime-field-seed-parameters-national-institute-of-standards-and-technology-78756/ - https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/origin-of-fips-186-4-elliptic-curves-over-prime-field-seed-parameters-national-security-agency-78755/ - Filippo’s bounty: https://words.filippo.io/dispatches/seeds-bounty/ - Recommendations for Discrete Logarithm-based Cryptography: Elliptic Curve Domain Parameters - NIST 800-186 with Curve25519 and friends - RFC 8422: Elliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC) Cipher Suites for Transport Layer Security (TLS) Versions 1.2 and Earlier - https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4492#section-6 - https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2017/12/19/the-strange-story-of-extended-random/ - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullrun_(decryption_program) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSAFE - https://sockpuppet.org/blog/2015/08/04/is-extended-random-malicious/ "Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)…

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Cruel Summer: hybrid signatures, Downfall, Zenbleed, 2G downgrades 58:35

לפני 2 years58:35

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We're back from our summer vacation! We're covering a bunch of stuff we saw and did: Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/09/13/cruel-summer/ Links: - Zenbleed: https://lock.cmpxchg8b.com/zenbleed.html - Downfall: https://downfall.page - Post-quantum Yubikeys: https://security.googleblog.com/2023/08/toward-quantum-resilient-security-keys.html "Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)…

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Why do we think anything is secure, with Steve Weis 46:17

לפני 2 years46:17

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What does P vs NP have to do with cryptography? Why do people love and laugh about the random oracle model? What's an oracle? What do you mean factoring and discrete log don't have proofs of hardness? How does any of this cryptography stuff work, anyway? We trapped Steve Weis into answering our many questions. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/06/29/why-do-we-think-anything-is-secure-with-steve-weis/ Links: - The Random Oracle Methodology, Revisited: https://eprint.iacr.org/1998/011.pdf - Factoring integers with CADO-NFS: https://www.ens-lyon.fr/LIP/AriC/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/JDetrey-tutorial.pdf - On One-way Functions from NP-Complete Problems: https://eprint.iacr.org/2021/513.pdf - Seny Kamara's lecture notes on provable security: https://cs.brown.edu/~seny/2950-v/2-provablesecurity.pdf - How To Simulate It – A Tutorial on the Simulation Proof Technique: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/046.pdf - A Survey of Leakage-Resilient Cryptography: https://eprint.iacr.org/2019/302 - A Decade of Lattice Cryptography: https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/939.pdf "Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)…

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Elon's Encrypted DMs with Matthew Garrett 52:28

לפני 2 years52:28

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Are Twitter’s new encrypted DMs unreadable even if you put a gun to Elon’s head? We invited Matthew Garrett on to do a deep decompiled dive into what kind of cryptography actually shipped. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/05/29/elons-encrypted-dms-with-matthew-garrett/ Links: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/66791.html https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/encrypted-direct-messages https://www.techdirt.com/2023/05/11/twitter-launches-not-actually-encrypted-encrypted-dms/ BrokenKDF2BytesGenerator: https://github.com/bcgit/bc-java/blob/master/prov/src/main/java/org/bouncycastle/jce/provider/BrokenKDF2BytesGenerator.java#L70 Analysis from sweis: https://twitter.com/sweis/status/1657082478727933954?s=20 https://signal.org/docs/specifications/x3dh/ https://signal.org/docs/specifications/doubleratchet/ https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360007059752-Backup-and-Restore-Messages Trail of Bits has not audited nor signed a contract yet, per Platformer: https://www.platformer.news/p/why-you-cant-trust-twitters-encrypted "Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)…

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WhatsApp Key Transparency with Jasleen Malvai and Kevin Lewi 55:43

לפני 2 years55:43

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WhatsApp has announced they’re rolling out key transparency! Doing this at WhatsApp-scale (aka billions and biiillions of keys) is a significant task, so we talked to Jasleen Malvai and Kevin Lewi about how it works. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/05/06/whatsapp-key-transparency Links: https://engineering.fb.com/2023/04/13/security/whatsapp-key-transparency/ https://github.com/facebook/akd Parkeet: https://eprint.iacr.org/2023/081.pdf CONIKS: https://eprint.iacr.org/2014/1004.pdf SEEMless: https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/607.pdf WhatsApp Security Whitepaper: https://www.whatsapp.com/security/WhatsApp-Security-Whitepaper.pdf Keybase key transparency: https://book.keybase.io/docs/server "Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)…

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Messaging Layer Security (MLS) with Raphael Robert 55:02

לפני 2 years55:02

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Messaging Layer Security (MLS) 1.0 is (basically) here! We invited Raphael Robert, coauthor of the MLS specification to explain it to us and answer our annoying questions (read: why does this exist?) Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/04/22/mls/ Links: - https://messaginglayersecurity.rocks/ - https://messaginglayersecurity.rocks/mls-protocol/draft-ietf-mls-protocol.html - https://messaginglayersecurity.rocks/mls-architecture/draft-ietf-mls-architecture.html - https://github.com/openmls/openmls - https://eprint.iacr.org/2022/1533.pdf - https://eprint.iacr.org/2020/1327.pdf - https://eprint.iacr.org/2022/559.pdf - https://signal.org/docs/ - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_encapsulation_mechanism - https://twitter.com/beurdouche/status/1220617962182389760 - https://messaginglayersecurity.rocks/mls-protocol/draft-ietf-mls-protocol.html#mls-ciphersuites - https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-mls-federation-02.html - https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mimi/documents/ - https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/dma/dma-workshops/interoperability-workshop_en - Yes in the protocol document this is 1.0: https://messaginglayersecurity.rocks/mls-protocol/draft-ietf-mls-protocol.html#section-6 "Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)…

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Real World: Crypto (2023) 54:51

לפני 2 years54:51

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Real World Cryptography 2023 is happening any moment now in Tokyo. Also, some phone basebands are broken. Links https://rwc.iacr.org/2023/ https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2023/03/multiple-internet-to-baseband-remote-rce.html Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/03/24/rwc-2023/ "Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)…

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Threema with Kenny Paterson, Matteo Scarlata and Kien Tuong Truong 1:03:55

לפני 2 years1:03:55

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Another day, another ostensibly secure messenger that quails under the gaze of some intrepid cryptographers. This time, it's Threema, and the gaze belongs to Kenny Paterson, Matteo Scarlata, and Kien Tuong Truong from ETH Zurich. Get ready for some stunt cryptography, like 2 Fast 2 Furious stunts. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/01/27/threema/ Links: https://breakingthe3ma.app/ https://threema.ch/press-files/2_documentation/cryptography_whitepaper.pdf https://threema.ch/en/blog/posts/ibex "Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)…

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Has RSA been destroyed by a quantum computer??? 41:16

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There's a paper that claims one can factor a RSA-2048 modulus with the help of a 372-qubit quantum computer. Are we all gonna die? Also some musings about Bruce Schneier. Errata: Schneier's honorary PhD is from the University of Westminster, not UW. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/01/06/has-rsa-been-destroyed-by-a-quantum-computer/ Links: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2212.12372.pdf https://eprint.iacr.org/2021/232.pdf https://github.com/lducas/SchnorrGate https://sweis.medium.com/did-schnorr-destroy-rsa-show-me-the-factors-dcb1bb980ab0 https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2023/01/breaking-rsa-with-a-quantum-computer.html https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=6957 "Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)…

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End of Year Wrap Up 59:27

לפני 2 years59:27

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David and Deirdre gab about some stuff we didn't get to or just recently happened, like Tailscale's new Tailnet Lock, the Okta breach, what the fuck CISOs are for anyway, Rust in Android and Chrome, passkeys support, and of course, SBF. Transcript: https://securitycryptographywhatever.com/2023/01/04/end-of-year-wrap-up/ Links: https://tailscale.com/blog/tailnet-lock/ https://security.googleblog.com/2022/12/memory-safe-languages-in-android-13.html https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/chromium-dev/c/0z-6VJ9ZpVU "Security Cryptography Whatever" is hosted by Deirdre Connolly (@durumcrustulum), Thomas Ptacek (@tqbf), and David Adrian (@davidcadrian)…

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