Can We Defend a System Built on Lies? (with Jeremy Loeb) (Ep.28)

The Simple Heart w/ Wayne Hsiung

Jeremy Loeb and I discuss the ethics of lying. From factory farms that create false ads, to politicians who deceive the public, manipulation is everywhere. Can that ever be justified?

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Chapters:

Chapter 1) 00:00-36:54 Intro, Diestel Turkey Farm Investigation, Diestel Civil case judgment, Whole Foods & Diestel Turkey Farm interfering in the news media reporting on the case, Sonoma County Trial, cognitive dissonance of intelligent people, “canceling” Jeremy & Wayne, & thoughts on Trump

Chapter 2) 36:55-50:59 The problem with the news media, Vox series on factory farming & the media, Beef Industry lawsuit against ABC News, Diestel Civil case judgment without a trial, & anti-vegan bias in court

Chapter 3) 51:00-1:35:47 What happened during the Diestel Civil case appeal, cognitive decline, the legal & political system, defamation lawsuit discovery from during the Berkeley mayoral campaign, thought experiments, the importance of voting, & the importance of activism

Chapter 4) 1:35:48-1:51:12 Honesty, transparency, & trust given to society, the ways people lie, the ways political parties lie, & the ways corporations lie

Chapter 5) 1:51:13-1:58:18 Turkeys rescued from Diestel Turkey Farm (links below), false advertising from animal agriculture, activism is the moral baseline to create change, & stay tuned for updates on the Diestel Civil case

Chapter 6) 1:56:18-1:58:34 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

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Books mentioned:“On Bullshit” by Harry G. Frankfurt

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Links:

DxE video investigation of Diestel Turkey Farm and turkey rescue (2015):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byb8WjknZxw

https://www.facebook.com/directactioneverywhere/videos/1089174481112900

“Direct Action Everywhere SF Bay Area v. Diestel Turkey Ranch” (2023):

https://casetext.com/case/direct-action-everywhere-sf-bay-area-v-diestel-turkey-ranch/

“Whole Foods Thanksgiving turkeys endure ‘horrific conditions’ at Calif. farm, activists say” (2015):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/24/whole-foods-thanksgiving-turkeys-endure-horrific-conditions-at-calif-farm-animal-rights-activists-say/

"Video Shows Abuse at Whole Foods Turkey Supplier, Activists Say: Diestel Turkey Ranch says video is misleading because it depicts narrow period of time"

By Kelsey Gee (2015):
https://www.wsj.com/articles/video-shows-abuse-at-whole-foods-turkey-supplier-activists-say-1448328713