The Other Autism explores late-diagnosed autism and the latest in autism research, and works to dispel myths and stereotypes about autism and autistic people. Episodes cover leading topics in the neurodiversity space and feature interviews with late-diagnosed autistic folks and autistic professionals. Theme music: "Everything Feels New" by Evgeny Bardyuzha. All episodes are written and edited by Kristen Hovet. Contact: otherautism@gmail.com
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Join host Kristen Hovet as she interviews people from around the world -- to highlight their lives, their work, what gives them joy, what brings them sorrow, and what inspires them. It's a way to make the world smaller and bridge the "us versus them" divide through shared stories of ourselves and what matters to us. Pay attention to your own responses as you listen -- what do you like, what do you dislike, what do you agree with, what do you disagree with? Step into their shoes and see the w ...
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Candid conversations between autistic off-hour professionals! Autistic Tidbits & Tangents is a biweekly podcast, co-hosted by Kara Dymond, Maja Toudal, and Bruce Petherick. It is centered around topics relevant to autism and the lives of autistic people. We are autistic professionals with a passion for broadening and advancing accessibility for autistic people and understanding of autism and neurodiversity. We approach our work with the combination of our personal and professional experiences.
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Ep. 36 - Changing the Normative Narrative with Nuance
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Ep. 36 - Changing the Normative Narrative with NuanceKara and Bruce dream of better ways of talking about autism, including autistic voices, and embracing our differences. We specifically examine the notion of black and white thinking and consider its broader implications. Tangents include: time machines, DnD, and postmodernity. Thing of the Day: A…
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EP37: 'Autistic All This Time!' — A Former Teacher Finds the Diagnosis Her Therapists Missed
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Today, I'm speaking with Sarah, a musician, gardener, and former teacher based in Pennsylvania. Sarah spent much of her life in therapy and struggling with others' misunderstandings and insensitivities. Now, in her 60s and with a handful of mental health diagnoses behind her, she is finding that autism might explain so many of her experiences. A se…
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Ep. 35 - Cathartic Consumption, Capacity for Consumption, & K-Pop!
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Ep. 35 - Cathartic Consumption, Capacity for Consumption, & K-Pop!The third episode of Season is the second part of our look at artistic expression. In this episode, Kara, Maja and Bruce talk about the consumption of Art(s) of all types, and how an autistic consumption may (or may not) differ from a neurotypical consumption. In this wide-ranging di…
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Ep. 34 - Sleep, Synchronicities, & How to End a Podcast? (with Dr. Megan Anna Neff)
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Ep. 34 - Sleep, Synchronicities, & How to End a Podcast? (with Dr. Megan Anna Neff)Inspired by a conversation between Bruce and Kara around Kara’s horrible sleeping patterns, the Autistic Tidbits & Tangents team invited guest Dr. Megan Anna Neff, a neurodivergent psychologist and co-host of the Divergent Conversations podcast, to deep-dive into com…
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EP36: Autistic Empathy and the Double Empathy Problem
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Many think that autistic people lack empathy, but do they? Even if you think you know the answer, you'll find new content about empathy and relating to others in this episode. Join me as I explore empathy in the context of autism research and the origins of the autistic empathy deficit idea. In this episode, I cover the double empathy problem with …
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Ep. 33 - Autism, Artistic Expression, & Appreciation
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Ep. 33 - Autism, Artistic Expression, & AppreciationThe first episode of Season 3! In this episode, Kara, Maja, and Bruce talk about the creation of Art(s) of all types, and how this can be a therapeutic activity for many autistics. They also consider what an autistic perspective can do to enhance our artistic creations and what type of unique pers…
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EP35: Helena, Diagnosed As Autistic and Schizophrenic
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Today, I'm speaking with Helena, a retail worker and soon-to-be college student and fiction author. Helena came to Canada as a child, but wasn't assessed for autism or schizophrenia until her 20s. She talks about who the biggest bullies were in school and shares some activities that have helped her. Watch this episode on YouTube. Check out Helena's…
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EP34: Did Trauma Cause My Autism?
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Are my traits or symptoms related to autism? Or are they caused by trauma? This is one of the top questions asked by individuals going through the process of identifying their neurodivergent identity in adulthood. Join me as we explore how autistic and trauma traits intertwine and differ, with a focus on familial mental health challenges and their …
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Teaser! Let's Read Together! Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea, Chapter 1: A Shifting Reef
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By popular demand, I've released the first reading episode for Patreon paid members. Here is a sneak peak! We're reading Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea, and this is part 1, chapter 1: A Shifting Reef. To listen to upcoming reading episodes, you'll need to be a paid member of The Other Autism's Patreon. Many listeners (especially those coping…
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EP33: The Science Behind Trigger Warnings (and Why I Don't Use Them)
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Here's a deep dive into the controversial topic of trigger warnings. I explore the ongoing debate surrounding the effectiveness and potential dangers of trigger warnings, particularly for those who have experienced complex trauma. I highlight the latest research on trigger warnings, their impact on emotional responses, learning outcomes, and more. …
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EP32: Zoe Alexandra Glass, Diagnosed As Autistic at 38
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Today, I'm speaking with Zoe Alexandra Glass, a Jiu Jitsu instructor and artist based in Vancouver, British Columbia. Zoe went from listening to The Other Autism while working in a warehouse to being a guest on the show almost a year after her own diagnosis. She shares the story of receiving her autism diagnosis after nearly losing her home and hav…
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Ep. 25 - Music, Medicine, & the Meaning of Disability (with Kristen Hovet)
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Ep. 25 - Music, Medicine, & the Meaning of Disability (with Kristen Hovet) - Bruce, Kara, and guest Kristen Hovet discuss difficulties navigating medical care for autistic people, self-advocacy in medical settings and in general, what it means to be disabled, Kristen's podcast, and Frooty Loops. GUEST BIO: Kristen Hovet is a late-diagnosed autistic…
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EP31: Neural Pruning, Synesthesia, and Autism
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What aspects of the brain differ between autistic people and non-autistic people? Do these brain differences lead to things like synesthesia in autistic people? Synesthesia is when your senses or perceptions overlap, like when you think of a number and see waves of red or some other colour. Or when you can feel in your own body the sensations and p…
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Ep. 32 - Motherhood, Transitions, & Muddling Through
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Ep. 32 - Motherhood, Transitions, & Muddling ThroughIn this season's finale, Maja is back to celebrate the end of 2023 and to look forward to the year ahead with Bruce and Kara. We review life changes over the past year and discuss many tangents around pregnancy difficulties; challenges in adulthood; the weirdness of cultures; nudist beaches; and d…
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Ep. 31 - Agency, Biowearables, & Grizzly Bears (with Rozarina Md Yusof Howton)
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Ep. 31 - Agency, Biowearables, & Grizzly Bears (with Rozarina Md Yusof Howton) Bruce, Kara, and guest Rozarina Md Yusof Howton talk about Roza's research to improve health outcomes (with an eye toward helping autistics); surprising doctors; sensory needs and how these can change with burnout, stress, or chronic health conditions; hyperacuity; and t…
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Ep. 29 - Special Schools, Segregation, & Supports
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Ep. 29 - Special Schools, Segregation, & Supports - In this episode, Kara and Bruce discuss the pros and cons of special schools and special education in general. Oh, and Maja sends an update!Thing of the Day: Why closing special schools is such a complex topic important to so many families by national disability affairs reporter Nas Campanella, wi…
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EP30: Tips for Autistic Parents Raising Autistic or ADHD Children
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Today, I'm speaking with Trissa, an autistic parent with ADHD based in Washington State. Trissa talks about ways to regulate yourself as a neurodivergent parent and also give your neurodivergent children ways to self-regulate. Trissa's helpful tips and suggestions are particularly useful for autistic, ADHDer, and otherwise neurodivergent parents of…
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Ep. 28 - Compromise, Communication, & Community
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Ep. 28 - Compromise, Communication, & Community - In this episode Bruce and Kara discuss the role of compromise in Advocacy, and how sometimes things need to be celebrated for the greater community even if you don't fully agree with all the methods. They also talk about the importance of communication and community for advocacy work, and the prime …
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Ep. 27 - Trust/Safety, Regulation, & Participation (Oh, and Bubble Wrap! - with Greg Santucci)
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Ep. 27 - Trust/Safety, Regulation, & Participation (Oh, and Bubble Wrap! - with Greg Santucci) - Kara, Bruce and guest Greg Santucci talk all about neuronormative expectations in schools, changes we'd like to see, and approaches to supporting children. Greg illuminates us on The Model of Child Engagement, a helpful framework for parents, teachers a…
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Ep. 26 - Shutdowns, Meltdowns, Burnout (and Inertia!)
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Ep. 26 - Shutdowns, Meltdowns, Burnout (and Inertia!) - Kara and Bruce share personal experiences with shutdowns and get meta as they talk about perception. They cover limbic braking, the Triune Brain (somewhat), imposter syndrome, and feeling stuck when you desperately want to move. Things of the Day: Phung, J., Penner, M., Pirlot, C., & Welch, C.…
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Autistic Burnout, Shutdown, and Social Hangover
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Autistic burnout is very different from the work-related burnout that non-autistics experience. In this episode, I cover the official definition of autistic burnout, how autistic burnout differs from non-autistic burnout, the latest research on this topic, how burnout relates to shutdown and social hangover, and more. I also discuss my own experien…
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Ep. 24 - Autistic Strengths, Creativity, and the Fallacy of the Weekend
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Ep. 24 - Autistic Strengths, Creativity, and the Fallacy of the Weekend - Bruce and Kara discuss the positive aspects of autism and how we need to reframe conversations for families, autistic people themselves, and society. They share their own strengths and examples of their lived experiences. Tangents include Hamilton, playwrighting, and Bohemian…
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Dr. Kim Sage, a Therapist Finding Her Place on the Autism Spectrum
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Dr. Kim Sage is a licensed clinical psychologist in southern California. Dr. Sage joins me to discuss her discovery that she may be autistic, the problem of autism underdiagnosis, and the close connection between autism and personality disorders (especially narcissistic personality disorder) within families. Dr. Sage also talks about her early auti…
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Ep. 23 - Buildings, Language, and Running out of Time!
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Ep. 23 - Buildings, Language, and Running out of Time! - Bruce and Kara discuss societal conversations around what it means to be autistic and the need for change to existing narratives; moving from stereotypes to getting curious about others' lived experiences; and autistic culture and community as a protective factor. Kara also reflects on time b…
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What Is Autistic Impostor Syndrome?
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Feeling like a fraud or a fake autistic is so common in those who are diagnosed as autistic in adulthood. In this episode, I talk about impostor syndrome and how it relates to autistic impostor syndrome. I also talk about the impact of impostor syndrome and some strategies for coping with it. Be sure to stick around right to the end. Toby is super …
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Ep. 22 - Exploding Trucks, Chuck Berry, & a Lifetime of Autistic Traits Revealed (with Peter O'Neil)
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Ep. 22 - Exploding Trucks, Chuck Berry, & a Lifetime of Autistic Traits Revealed (with Peter O'Neil) - Bruce and Kara interview author and lawyer, Peter O'Neil, who was late identified as autistic at 65. We reflect on living autistically without knowing it, and how autistic thinking is an asset in the legal field -- and how central it is to our pas…
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What to Consider When Seeking Adult Autism Assessment
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Are you ready to navigate the intricate maze of adult autism diagnosis? I dedicate this episode to offering tips and advice to help you determine whether autism assessment is right for you, suggestions on how to find a psychologist who conducts adult autism assessments, and brief strategies on securing financial support if you can't afford the exor…
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Ep. 21 - What is Fun, Anyway (and What’s It Gotto Do with Jazz and Godzilla?!)?
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Ep. 21 - What is Fun, Anyway (and What’s It Gotto Do with Jazz and Godzilla?!)? - Bruce Petherick steps in as co-host while Maja adjusts to motherhood! Bruce and Kara discuss how subjective a term “fun” is and how notions of fun are tied into the concept of normalcy. They debate what things are merely enjoyable versus actually fun, and much more. L…
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What Can Occupational Therapy Do for Autistic Adults? An Interview With Courtney Benner
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Courtney Benner, a neurodivergent occupational therapist based in Utah, shares how occupational therapy can help autistic adults. She also talks about her neurodivergent identities and the ways these help her relate to her clients. Courtney shares the lead-up to her diagnoses and how much of an impact they had on her life. Additionally, she shares …
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Ep. 20 - Finding Community (with Karen Timm)
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Ep. 20 - Finding Community (with Karen Timm) - In this episode we speak with Karen Timm about the importance of an autistic community, diversity in autistic voices and empowerment of everyone in the community. We also tackle topics related to education and late diagnosis.GUEST BIO: Karen Timm is a perpetually reflective educational leader, an autho…
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Life After Late Autism Diagnosis With Melissa Elaine
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Melissa Elaine, a music industry professional in California, shares the lead-up to getting an autism diagnosis just this past January and what life has been like ever since. Melissa shares how past therapists chalked up her challenges to trauma and C-PTSD, dismissing her and her family's well-informed suspicions that she may be autistic. She also s…
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Why Are Autistic People More Likely to Be Non-Monogamous?
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Let's delve into an under-discussed topic — the intersection of autism and non-monogamy. I talk about the differences between polyamory and open relationships, and challenge the stereotype that autistic individuals are incapable of or uninterested in sexual relationships. Drawing from research and personal experiences, I discuss why autistic indivi…
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Ep. 19 - Deep Dive into Diagnostic Criteria
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Ep. 19 - Deep Dive into Diagnostic Criteria - In this episode, we discuss diagnostic criteria of autism in the DSM-5 (and the ICD-10 diagnostic manual). We talk about things that, according to us, should or should not be a part of the criteria. There is also a brief discussion about ABA and teaching methods near the end, which is not properly in de…
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Ep. 18 - AAC, Aphantasia, & Cross-Cultural Communication (with Dr. Alyssa Hillary Zisk)
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Ep. 18 - AAC, Aphantasia, & Cross-Cultural Communication (with Dr. Alyssa Hillary Zisk) - In this episode, Kara and Maja ask Alyssa about all sorts of accommodations: from their experiences as an sometimes AAC user (Assistive & Augmentative Communication) navigating university accommodations, to their thoughts on how folks make certain accommodatio…
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Ep. 17 - Autism & Pregnancy
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Ep. 17 - Autism & Pregnancy - Wherein Kara has finally talked Maja into having a chat about her pregnancy on the podcast (Kara interjection: I suggested it as a possible topic once!!). We talk about how pregnancy might be different for autistic people, including the sensory and social aspects, as well as interoception, body dysmorphia, and contact …
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Autistic Masking and Unmasking — Season Finale
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In the final episode of season two of The Other Autism podcast, I explore the concept of masking. We've talked about it a lot this season, but now I'd like to do a deeper dive. Topics discussed also include: The definition of masking Why autistic people mask What it means to unmask When masking can be a good thing If you'd like to know more about t…
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Ep. 16 - Hyperfocus & Rabbit Holes!
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Ep. 16 - Hyperfocus & Rabbit Holes! - In this episode we talk about how our interests can change and evolve, jump around, and how the rabbit holes that our hyperfocus drives us into are not necessarily pleasant or connected to our special interests. Thing of the Day: not clearly defined today ;) so many things! __________ Autistic Tidbits & Tangent…
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Midlife Trauma Leading to Autism Diagnosis With Cat
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Cat is an Australia-based, late-identified autistic individual who suddenly lost the ability to mask following the death of her baby. Kristen and Cat discuss being autistic while undergoing fertility treatments, trauma in midlife, out-of-order loss and bereavement, polyvagal theory, the ways life crises often precede late identification of autism, …
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Ep. 15 - Neuroplurality in the Workplace
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Ep. 15 - Neuroplurality in the Workplace - In this episode we speak with Dr. Mekki MacAulay about being autistic in the workplace and how he believes companies can benefit from employing and utilizing the strengths of people of all neurotypes.GUEST BIO: Mekki MacAulay (he/they) is the IBM CIO Red Hat OpenShift and IBM Z Mainframe Strategy Guy who s…
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Jennifer Dodd, an 'AuDHDer' and Therapist
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Jennifer Dodd is a Portland-based therapist and owner of the Embodied Life Therapy Center. Jennifer is a late-diagnosed autistic individual who has also been diagnosed with the inattentive type of ADHD. Kristen and Jennifer discuss the ways that ADHD and autism compete with and complement each other, neurodivergent loathing of CBT (sorry, not sorry…
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Ep. 14 - Autistic Communication
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Ep. 14 - Autistic Communication - In this episode we discuss the autistic preferences and styles of communication and the differences between autistic and non-autistic communication. Thing of the Day: Crompton, C. J., Ropar, D., Evans-Williams, C. V., Flynn, E. G., & Fletcher-Watson, S. (2020). Autistic peer-to-peer information transfer is highly e…
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Former ABA Therapist Turned Neurodiversity Author
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Kim Gallo is the author of the new book, The Pivot: For Parents and Educators – Looking at Autism and ADHD Through a Different Lens. She is a speech language pathologist in south Florida and has experience as a former applied behaviour analysis (ABA) practitioner. Kristen and Kim discuss Kim's changing views on ABA (thanks in large part to TikTok!)…
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Ep. 13 - Autism Acceptance Month?!
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Ep. 13 - Autism Acceptance Month?! - In the Season 2 premiere, we discuss issues related to Autism Awareness/Acceptance Month, how our understandings have changed over time, and how we’d like society’s understandings to continue to evolve. Thing of the Day: Autistic Acceptance vs. Autism Awareness by bneal89, NeuroClastic __________ Autistic Tidbit…
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I Was Diagnosed Autistic... Now What?
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The number one question I receive from listeners is some version of, "I was just diagnosed as autistic. Now what?" What are some common experiences that people have after autism diagnosis in adulthood? Late autism diagnosis is often defined as diagnosis received after one's 18th birthday. Topics discussed also include: Positive and negative thought…
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Heath Wilder, 'Autigender', and Autistic Empathy
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Heath Wilder is the Director of Customer Experience at the Sydney Theatre Company in Sydney, Australia, and they were one of the first listeners of The Other Autism podcast — maybe even the first! Listen as Kristen and Heath aggressively abstain from small talk and dive right in to gender, autigender (aka gendervague), the female autism phenotype o…
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The Intimate Link Between ADHD and Autism
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You've probably heard about the rising rates of both autism and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) in adults. Is there any truth to all the talk about an overlap between the two? You can probably tell by the title that, yes, there is! Topics discussed also include: The three presentations or subtypes of ADHD Differences between ADHD in…
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Substance Use Disorder and Autism
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Recent research indicates that many autistic people might have co-occurring substance use disorder. Let's talk about what this entails and reasons for autistic folks turning to substances in the first place. Topics discussed also include: Substance use disorder according to the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) How those w…
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Nicola Rowan-Brooks and Late Autism Diagnosis at 55
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Hear Nicola Rowan-Brooks's story about being diagnosed by Sarah Hendrickx at the age of 55. Nicola shares the impact of her autism diagnosis and what life was like growing up undiagnosed in the UK. Nicola runs an online business restoring teddy bears. Her website is called Ambrosia Bears. If you'd like to know more about topics discussed in this ep…
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Exposing Violence in ABA With Ciara Harte
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Ciara Harte is a neurodivergent counsellor based in Victoria, British Columbia. In this episode, Kristen and Ciara chat about Ciara's critical discourse analysis of ABA. Ciara has firsthand experience working with applied behaviour analysis principles and practices, and was heavily involved in ABA for a few years. Topics discussed also include: A b…
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Leslie and Autism Self-Diagnosis
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Hear Leslie's story about stumbling upon autism later in life, and the series of aha moments that ensued. Leslie previously worked in animation on feature films such as FernGully: The Last Rainforest, The Lion King, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Pocahontas, and Space Jam. She is now a freelance graphic designer crafting bespoke graphics and brand de…
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